ASAYO GROUP IS FULL OF CONMEN!!!

last SG · 2001-11-30T02:34:00+00:00

There are GOOD things i learnt while wrking in Asayo. But it's OUTWEIGHED BY the amount of BAD things i discovered abt it. I dont intend 2 bring the matter...

Wise SG

mozilla, each person is entitled to their own views and i m sure that u hv a reason for being so biased againest Asayo. after reading through all the postings, it seems that u hv not mentioned WHY u hate Asayo so much. if u tell us then maybe it will be good.
Issac from Asayo hv already said why he and jamel r so supportive of Asayo and of course they do as they r employees of Asayo. they will naturally support the company that they work for, in fact i think this forum is getting rather popular as i got to know abt Asayo from this forum.
not all the companies r good but i will think that if the company can b around for 10 yrs as they say then it will be hard to accept the fact that the company cheats everyone. if this is true then the singapore government muz be really fucked up or Asayo muz b really good at cheating ppl till the goverment cannot even find any evidence.
will b interested to hear from both parties esp why mozilla is so pissed at Asayo. it muz hv been a really big matter for mozilla to flare up at the mere word mentioned abt Asayo, till then i will b waiting for any contributions.

gjason SG

And i think wise saying is correct, if ASAYo company is really a con company while it still can survive in Singapore for so long. Wow that mean this must be a special person lah, without being caught even they con people. Mozilla wake up man, i know you are a biased type, dun keep saying that this company is no good. Please show proof that this company really isn’t worth people to believe. U yourself may be in your dream land, without even waking up what is right and wrong. Wake up man….. i think u should go and stand in front of the mirror and see did i said those things worngly or correctly.. not all the stuff written are by Asayo employee some are outsiders why can’t you accept the fact leh…. Stop beleiving u have say right

Wise SG

YO, the impt ppl of this forum have not replied to my question yet and i m actually kinda disappointed.
Issac has not said anything yet and most impt is that Mozilla has not said anything as well. i was actually hoping for some kind of reply whether good or bad from either of u but i m glad that there is another person who sees my point of view that some kind of proof is needed for that screaming and attention grabbing title to this forum.
i will hv to say that the title is kinda misleading cause ppl seldom take the time to read through each reply so they assume that the title is the truth. i was also almost fooled by the title till i took the time to read through everything and realise that there r more supporters than condemners of Asayo in this forum.
anyway, still want to know WHY Mozilla hates Asayo since he is like the Uno Amigo in this forum.

gavjosh SG

I have been to see the mattress before. The test worked on my friend. But none of us bought the mattress, the price is a bit too steep for us college students. However I have been obssesed with this magnetic theory. I have been running around university talking to my various professors. Trying to get one of them to run such an experiment. However as a scientist and a historian I am rather skeptical about the whole thoery. I mean I saw empirical results, but some claims that they made did not appear true during the test. I did not get to see any other reports by any other respected researcher or research institute to back up the claims.

As for whether it's mulit-level marketing, I really do not know. I too distrust such schemes. Especially when people abuse the system. I have seen MLMs work well if people stick to the rules. But many times their Singaporean reps cheat and harangue people to buy their products; there is a certain amount of duplicity. As to Asayo... I do not feel they are entirely a MLM, but I see certain similiarities. However if their products work and people can vouch for it, I see it less as an MLM, but rather a company with very pushy salesmen. And I must say it is pretty aggressive selling. Thank God for all that Army training and the lack of money in our pockets.

But i think it is unfair to come brandishing insults and ad hominem attacks. If you are to argue, argue on ground of logic and facts and not on logical fallacies.

If you lack the logical faculties to grasp logical arguments, then perhaps you should refrain from making personal attacks on the people who are arguing against you. Stick to arguing the data. If you ever wish to make a career in the academic world, or even to go to college, you should really not attack the person making the argument. Like I am. Find out more facts to prove or disprove their arguments. Because once you have the solid facts to disprove them and you publish it, there is no way they can ignore you or do some hand waving trick. They will have to admit defeat and pack up. So i urge you rather to collect solid data to back up what you are saying.

Do not, do not argue from such a flimsy and easily dismissed stand point.

Ducati996 SG

i watched a program on discovery channel a few months back. it was a feature on alternative therapt such as magnetic therapy, acupuncture, etc.
the program said magnetic therapists claim their method works coz the magnets influence bloodflow into vital areas by attracting the iron in the blood. to test their theory, researchers taped small round magnets given by the therapists to a persons body along with similiar but non-magnetic components. they then used an infra-red scanner to detect if blood indeed flowed on the parts of the body with the magnet since blood was warmer than the rest of the body. they found no difference in blood flow comparing the regions with real magnets with fake magnets. they concluded that it is only a placebo, although interestingly the feature on acupuncture showed the body did react to the pins and healed, but it was unexplainable.
personally i think such therapy work coz ppl believe, and when the mind believes the body will follow. its like if you believe you might fall off a high platform with fear of heights, ur heart rate and respiration goes up even tho you are technically not going to.
its my five-cent-ten-cent and i am not answering if asayo ppl are conmen.

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RockerZ!

oldman lim SG

There can be only two reasons why Mozilla hasn't stated why he hates asayo so much, and they are 1)he is just a loudmouth seeking attention by insulting and tarnishing others people reputation and enjoys doing it. 2)He do have a reason for hating asayo but a very lousy one, that is to say a very presonal and childish one. And by saying it, he would show to everyone that he is indeed just a very subjective(unobjective), immature person.
And by the way, i am not in any way related to asayo. I am just a observer stating my point of view. But a subjective person will rather believe otherwise.

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guan

Japheth SG

I am a new user to this BB and this topic caught my attention by chance. I must say...
after reading all the articles posted, feel that mozilla is extremely biased. There is no facts from him, YET, supporting his arguement. Hence, the topic is extremely misleading.

It kindda of amazes me that no one from the company actually attempted to press charges on that guy for deframation(since our IP are logged by this BB). If mozilla allegations are true then it would be fine but if not, I think that guy will really be in some hot soup if the company decided to take actions agst him!

Anyway, just like Wise, I am really interested to find out why is Mozilla so pissed off with Asayo. So Mozilla, if u have any prove to your allegation, please kindly post them on the BB, otherwise, I think it would be illogical for ppl to accept ur stand. I noticed that it usually doesn't take u very long to make a reply. But ever since Wise told you to prove your allegations, nothing was heard from you!

A personal advice: It is still not too late to apologise now, before any action is take against you. Or maybe u can check with the webmaster if u can request for your postings to be removed. I always believe in finding out the truth before pointing my fingers at anyone, cause I really don't know when that "3 fingers will start pointing back at me"

I will looking forward replies from both Mozilla & employees of Asayo. Take care guys...

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Japheth

Figo SG

Hi friends,
I have a few relevant info which i feel may help tell a thousand tales about ASAYO.

1.This company is registered in May 94 as a PTE LTD with listed activities as sporting equipments and general trading.

2.The 3 shareholders r: Mdm Tan, Mr Ng and Mr Teo. Mr Teo may have left long ago, leaving the other 2 as the main directors.

3.Its true that many 'old birds' have left the 'nest'.

4.The China distributor for Japan-Life is rumored to have collapsed as the Gov bans 'pyramid selling'.

5.In Japan, the company owning Japan-Life is also rumored to have abandoned the 'magnet'
business.

6.Its hard to say much about the financial status of ASAYO since its a PTE LTD and their auditors r gagged by law.

7.Many independent accounts of unusual business strategy is gossipped at kopitiams.

*The above may or may not be true and i provide them in the spirit of liberty and human rights. The usual disclaimer is applicable.
In case of libel arising, i must say that the Internet creators and fans treasure freedom of expression.

"The Truth Is Out There." -- X-files.

Wise SG

WOW!!! i was kinda surprised to c that Figo actually went to check up on Asayo and furthermore this is his first posting on SG Forums if i c correctly.
i tot that i was the only one that will go to the Registry Of Companies to check this kind of stuff but i guess that there is always other ppl who r juz as interested.

i will juz like to clear up some points that Figo hv not check in detail:

1) Asayo Pte Ltd registered in 1994 but the company in discussion here is Asayo Group Pte Ltd which was only registered in the period bet 1997-98.

2) Asayo Group Pte Ltd hv 5 shareholders and 2 of them also happen to b Mdm Tan and Mr Ng.

3) As for the rumours that the company in Japan has already forsaken the "magnet" business, i seriously find that hard to believe since their website is constantly changing and promoting the latest range of products.

4) As for the thing abt "old birds" leaving the company, i dun find anything disturbing abt that since that happens in all companies irregardless of the trade or line involved.

At this point, i m sure that there will b many that will question why i m "protecting" Asayo. i m not doing this to specially protect them but it is cause i hv seen my family members benefit from their products thus i feel that i shld set the facts straight and present all known facts to the public. a healthy discussion shld always involve proposition and opposition.
i will b glad to learn any other facts that can b shared among everyone.

Figo SG

Hi folks,

Its good to hear that at least somebody has benefitted from the product. Me wonders if the 'Lords' at the helm of the PTE LTD use the things themselves.

BTW does anybody (esp. Wise) want to know the actual cost price for the 'magical' bed pads? U may regret having bought it after u know the 'trade secrets'.

One last thing, becoming successful is everyone's dream at Asayo. But look carefully my dear friends, which manager there has actually found wealth?
The one and only one human being getting $$$ into his wallet there is anybody's guess.

*The above are to be treated like a casual conversation. They r based on my own perceptions and thinking. Read bearing those usual disclaimer in mind.

"The Big Bad Wolf Visits Little Red Riding Hood After It Dressed As A Kind Old Woman."

rome SG

I really want to find out how an agent really can make big bucks at Asayo Group?
I'm a ex manager there.I have been delay in goods for more than 5 months.wat wrong with the system? I been troubled by my supporters who r my best friends.I try to refund yet I been delay too.

rome SG

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[This message has been edited by rome (edited 04 January 2002).]

rome SG

To: isaaclee
I know that now u a Sale manager.But how much u earn per month dun tell more than 3k.bside u hav no BMW yet.I trust this products can help.But have ur downline or other colleagues got diffculty in getting the goods?I'm also delay in pay check.how u survive?

Wise SG

to rome:
from a personal point of view, i think that u should not discuss your personal problems that are related to the comapny. it does not reflect well on yourself and even less on your company. u may not care about dragging your company image through the mud but i would think that u will fare better if u discussed your problems with your superiors. If u wanna find out how issac can survive at the company that u are working at then i will think that u will b able to get an answer more easily if u ask him in person.
it is not professional and respectful to discuss such stuff on the net especially if u are still working at the present company.
think about it carefully, how will u like it if your frens discuss about your debts and bad habits on the net allowing the whole to read about it but yet they hide behind the mask of a nickname that no one can identify. i dun think u will like it at all.
think about it...

ukey SG

well...to start off, I'm not a member of ASAYO.......
dunno anything about the company actually, but singapore recently has a new law for network marketing.......if a networking firm abides by the 3 rules, its fully legal.....and supported by the government....cos they claim that not all networking marketing firms are bad.....

ASAYO PTE LTD is a registered company,i gather?? so they pay their taxes...think its 16% turnover...tts alot....if they emphasise on sales...how good their product is, and not on how easy it is to make money and stuff...

Check out more at this link http://www.mti.gov.sg/public/NWS/frm_NWS_Default.asp?sid=38&cid=950

one last thing...magnetic therapy is proven to work...I've checked out many sites to confirm that......though its kind of alternative treatment.......if u bother to read straits times u can even find an article saying how magnetic therapy helps ppl.....a doctor in Gleneagle hospital said this....dunno his name....peter something.....some time ago mah...so not too clear....

cheers to all......

rome SG

I just found out tat even Isaac is not working anymore,I just wanted to find ways to slove my problems,I strongly will recommand this magnrtotherpy bed pad (which is High mag ace) to others cos I know it really can help in health & prevent major illness.It has proven a success.I still show support to my company.yet I dislikes the way they handle duration time for us to recieve the goods for us to deliver to our clients.lucky the top management has done some changes toward the faults.But I hopefully they can really settle it by the actual dealines.

clarice SG

woah_{! thanks to you guys man. i was supposed to go down for
an interview at asayo group tomorrow. at least now i know i won’t
have to waste my time. when i asked about the company the person
seemed reluctant to tell me anything and just asked me to go down
for the interview. Thanks again}!

drose SG

the program said magnetic therapists claim their method works coz the magnets influence bloodflow into vital areas by attracting the iron in the blood.

actually, magnethotherapy does NOT work this way.

the basic componenets of blood are the red blood cells that transport oxygen the whole body, the white blood cells that fight the bacteria, platelets that clot up the blood in wounds aka natural healing power of the body and the +ve and -ve ions that are the static energy that enable us to walk,jump,run etc.

when a medical magnet is placed near our body, the magnetic flux from the medical magnet charge up the +ve and -ve ions inside our body and cause them to be very vibrant. the vibrant ions cause a stir in blood and hence blood is able to flow to parts of the body with greater ease. when this happens, blood circulation is improved.

when blood circulation is enhanced, more oxygen, anti-bacteria, natural healing power and energy are transported to parts of the body. the body is then able to function much better than before and thus becomes healthier.

this is how magnethotherapy works and helps in promoting better health.

Japheth SG

Wow... never thought that this topic has developed so much since I last visited. Just came back from a business trip.
Anyway, thought that I wanna add something. I read wat Drose added to the this topic. I read wat he/she said about how the concept of magnetotherapy works. Well, I must must say that he/she is not wrong. In fact, the part about the magnetic field affecting the iron content of the hemoglobin of our red blood cells is not wrong either. I read this from a book titled "Magnet Therapy" from our National Library. This enables the red blood cells to carry more oxygen(a bit more, not to the extend of hyperventilation!) to all parts of our body....so...... better function! So isn't that better? Well, so I believe magnetotherapy affects both the ions AND the red blood cells. That's all folks....

Cheers

mrg18 SG

Mozilla, what you have described is true, but it does not applies to ASAYO. It applies more to ASTRAL MAG HOLDINGS. I have visited both companies, and ASTRAL MAG HOLDINGS fit more closely into Mozilla discription. All the conmen are from ASTRAL MAG. Even the boss and No.2 man from ASTRAL MAG are conmen who formally worked in ASAYO and betrayed ASAYO badly. For those of you who think that I am bullshiting or spreading rumours, then go visited both companies and find out the truth yourself cause the most important factor is to find out the very truth…....

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