ASAYO GROUP IS FULL OF CONMEN!!!

last SG · 2001-11-30T02:34:00+00:00

There are GOOD things i learnt while wrking in Asayo. But it's OUTWEIGHED BY the amount of BAD things i discovered abt it. I dont intend 2 bring the matter...

laurence82 SG

Hi

I suggest you put up a thread on why you think Asayo is good after all. Argue your points, but then again, there are also many people disatisfied with Asayo (i have friends among them), so be prepared to have fellow forumnites coming up to challenge you. Even if people flame, at least you know you got good points. Flaming as you can see, doesnt matter to me already, coz for ntiparis thread, many put up many revealing info, so no matter how the Animal Farm tries to flame, they lose, coz their posts are childish, and without points.

Hmm *rubs chin*, so DW stand for Dolphin Warriors all along. So DW boss is a defractor from Asayo? Heard AMH boss is also from Asayo, from other threads, and VE is from AMH, kinda connected isnt it? My opinion is that either they are disatisfied with the former company, or they see the lucrative profits they can make in this.

In anyway, best of luck to you.

Toto-4D SG

thanks for youe update.

Once I left I wanted nothing to do with the company. Anyway Joey's not my beloved team leader.

I am not making a sweeping statement to all the people there. I do know Keith and Bruce. I do respect respect them too. On the whole they are nice people.

Being "manhandled" in the team is one thing. Another thing is the company. How do you explain the delaying n owing of stocks? anyway I already have in mind what your standard answer would be Wink

I just sharing my thoughts. You can perservere there and make it big. They have been around for so long.....so many past good leaders whom I think DEFINITELY will gain your respect just like Bruce n Keith have left the place........ Crying or Very sad

ask yourself......if Bruce n Keith who have been so long in the company and have not made it there yet.......when will it be your turn? Embarassed

just speaking from a past member view, make sure you dun look back and regret the time you spend at Asayo. the empty CPF accounts and the time wasted there.......I know you will have things to counter this.........its what they taught you people there.......to be positive in your thinking.........dun get negative.........

Its a good practice I know....but just use it at the appropriate time and environment. Idea

Toto-4D SG

That's what everyone think...........I used to think that Raymond is an upright man.......he's unscrupulous in the way he do business......marked-up the price of the products by a unreasonable high percentage........

He's also very superstitious. If he is an upright man, I don't see why so many of his right-hand men in the past left him and I not talking abt Keith.......there are others......

The boss gets richer as he earns from the hard work from his employees/slaves.......and the staff just earns so little from the expensive products that does not sell by themselves.

Your boss is a scheming person......but the normal employee cannot tell.....only those who have worked close to him as past management knows.....

For those top management who stayed on.....I could only say.....they have fallen too deep to unroot themselves from the boss......just like the way the new people cannot think clearly and is always thinking that those who care for them do not want them to succeed...which in actual fact its not true.....those who care wants to help them from falling deeper.......

Well I am not discouraging anyone from joining or leaving......you can join if you want, you can stay in there if you want, you can think of getting rich if you want......but at the end of the day....just dun looked back and say no one reminded and tried to help you......

take a step back and look at other sales people doing other sales......look at their remuneration.....look at their environment.....talk to some friends/ relatives in business....ask them how the company is run....the pay/commission structure...be objective, dun get personal.....hear them out and see for yourself what a mess you are getting into....not to mention hot soup!!!

Jem05 SG

Dear Toto4d,

I can't help laughing when I saw your reply. You really do sound like a disgruntled employee. No worries, I have done my research and analysis before I decided to join Asayo. I was "invited" to Astramag before going to Asayo once, but I refused to join tjhem because of their "buying sales" technique. Regarding the increase in prices, do you know that a can of coke actually cost 10 cents to 20 cents? How much do you actually pay for when you buy it in the coffee shops? 1 dollar? Isn't that a 1000% increase? I think no one bothers because the drink cost peanuts. By comparing the market value of oour goods to the other marketing firms, I believe that the quality and price of ours are second to none actually. Take a look around, you will see what I mean. *smiles*

I do feel that you are very biase in your claims about Mr Raymond, because your claims has no basis at all. *smiles* Do you mean to say that being superstitious makes a person bad? I think many will agree that this claim is kind of dumb? As for being upright, in what ways do you think that Mr Raymond is not? He could have easily solved the goods problem by introducing low quality goods like some marketing firms around, but he refused. Doesn't that show his intergrity? I would like to add that being upright doesn't mean that your men will not leave you. Didn't it strike you that his right hand men might not share his values? They could have left because they are unwilling to face the problems together with him? They want to live a more relax life with other companies? They feel that defection is best way to save their own skins? *smiles*

As for your claim that the boss gets richer while his employees slog. Isn't that the case for ALL companies? Have you seen any bosses in the insurance line running for sales? Do you see Bill Gates designing software now? *laughs* But I am certain that you don't know the amount of stress and pressure that he is facing. In the past when there were stock problems, who do you think is the one sweating his guts out to produce the goods for his employees to pass to their customers. It is of course him, it's his companny for God's sake! Frankly I do feel that from your comments, you are a person who only thinks in your own perspective. As a former employee of Asayo, I thought you would have more in you to analyse and differeniate the rights and wrongs, instead of pushing all the blame to Boss and the company.

As for sinking deeper, I know what you mean. I have many telling me about the difficulties of the job but never have i thought that they do not want me to succeed, no one n the company has ever told me this anyway. I think only your Dolphin Warriors team practice such an analogy. *laughs*

Toto4d, I will take a step back and analyse the situation now, but I also do hope that you can take a step back and analyse the past. Is it right to pass such comments and defaming the person who has been so kind? I hope that you do not stereotype everyone just because of the way you were handled in Dolphin Warriors. It doen't make much sense. *smiles*

Thanks and regards

Alex Wong SG

cool down. all are selling the same products~!! Mr. Green

laurence82 SG

Keke, read jemo05 points, although I can't comment on the situations in Asayo, coz I have not encountered them yet, the points jemo05 made on the pricing of products, and 'boss of all companies earning from customers' mirrors my sentiments.

As people speaks agains direct selling, Bill Gates and Sim Wong Hoo are laughing all the way to the bank, and no one is complaining. A complete package of Windows XP cost $999 on my last visit to Sim Lim, making people resorting to pirated version of XP.

a) People dont complain much about overpricing in retail stores, lest checking their effectiveness or quality. 5 people (if i am not wrong) died from smoking Centuri brand of cigarettes, and its still selling in retail shops.

b) When they do complain about direct selling, equally they engaged in unethical ways, by buying pirated vcds and music cds. Not only is the boss losing money (poor guy deserve his profits coz of his effort in bringing out products we want), the jobs of the people in the music, movie industry are at stake.

c) Why would XP, or even Nomad Jukebox be expensive? The quality, the effort towards inventing and producing them etc etc definitely increase the price of their products. What gave them an edge over other 'similar' products in the market? These factored in on the price of the products. Does adding the term 'MLM' or 'direct selling' mars the goodness of these products. Remember, direct selling is the marketing technique, not the QC of the products. As for the safety and pricing, unethical manufacturing practices and obnoxious pricing are prevalent in a lot of companies, retail or otherwise. The boss of companies that are putting products on the retail shelves are laughing at our stupidity as we speaks against direct seling.

d) The main point I emphasise is will people put in effort to research what they think is right to back their facts? I discussed this with wuming78 at another thread. Misconceptions are prevalent, coz many people will rather put it off. "Criminal!' they will cry, instead of looking it up. No wonder people will write books like "Thing You Thought You Thought You Knew' to put off the silly myths and misconceptions.

Btw, this got nothing to do with asayo, so please dont flame me. Kekekeke

Zabel SG

Jem05, does Asayo even bothers about its customers' interest??
My uncle bought 2 pillows from Asayo April last year, and it seems to take ages for the goods to arrive!! Evil or Very Mad
Are you going to tell me that this is common?
Asayo only gave reasons and more reasons to delay the goods when being asked about the goods.
My uncle demanded for a refund after a month of waiting for the goods as he felt something is fishy.
He only managed to get back one pillow's refund around late September last year from this Jack Soh.
This Jack Soh has apparently left the company and the new guy who took over, Richard Chong, issued the next cheque (refund for the second pillow) to my uncle late November last year. Again after numerous calls made to the company. Evil or Very Mad
But it bounced when my uncle went to bank in the cheque!!
And Asayo didn't even bothered to call my uncle to explain the matter!!
I think Asayo owe its customers a hell lot of apologies!! And REFUNDS!!!

Jem05 SG

Hi Zabel,

Cool down, I know what and how the customers are feeling. It's true that we owe the customers numerous apologies regarding the delay in stock. I won't deny this fact nor will I try to protect or cover this fact.

But for a fact is we have stopped the importing of pillows since last year. We have instructed all agents to try their best not to sell any pillows since last year. Unless the customer is prepared to wait, then we will order the pillows. As you said, the agent left the company, it's very difficult to track the sales and goods for customers once the agent leaves. That's why it took such a long time.

We know that customers will not be able to understand this fact, that's why we do our best to refund our customers. I can assure you that such matters will not occur ever. *laughs* Wonder when did I become the Aunt Agony of angry customers anyway. I hope for your understanding and your uncle has received his refund, I suppose the matter has been settled? No point pulling out such settled matters anymore right?

Regards

Alex Wong SG

what do u mean by it doesn't matter anymore? it does matter! how can your company give us the assurance that it wont happen again? the customer definitely dont wish to sue the company to court over some products... Crying or Very sad

Jem05 SG

Hi Alex,

Maybe I phrased my reply wrongly that you misunderstood my meaning, but I did not say it does not matter anymore right?*laughs*. Please don't misquote me, it can be fatal to a certain extent. What I meant was that the company recognise the mistake and his refund has been given. And how the matter will not arise anymore is how the stock problem has been rectified and the firm instructions given to the employees. It is considered case closed and solved for Zabel's point of view? Isn't it not?

regards

Jem05 SG

regards

Alex Wong SG

sigh*
asayo not only own 1 person stock.. but is a hell lot of people out there..... seem like you going to explain non stop. Wink

Jem05 SG

*laughs*

Alex, when I came into this forum, I had no intention of posting anything. But there were so much bull and misunderstanding that I registered immediately to try explain matters. but I won't be explaining about the stock matters anymore. Our company had a problem, so now we have to clear the mess, it's only right we do so. *smiles*

Alex Wong SG

thats true that you are facing internal problems.. you dont have to explain too much..we surely understand.

anyway, public forum is meant for bullshiting.. so you dont have to take my words so seriously. Wink

Toto-4D SG

this problem have been around for a few years already........along the way it had lost the faith of many customers...and words spread. who would want to buy from a company and get stocks after a long wait......

Toto-4D SG

the boss have always showed you the good side of him.....there are things that people do not know and will not believe even if I tell them about your boss. I happened to know one of his ex-close aides and judging from wat they say n wat i know of your boss. It's reaslly astounding to realise that he is actually that kinda person. TIts hard not to believe as pieces fall into places and what he said do have basis.

who are we to know him personally and know his true self? I dun. but his close aides do

I wish you good luck in your pursuit for success in Asayo...again i wanna say....do not look back and regret

Nitr0 SG

After reading all the arguements for and against Asayo, IMO there are a lot of questions left unanswered about Asayo.

If Asayo is running a proper business, why is it still having problems with stock and cash flow? Why are there still disgruntled customers and ex-employees criticising the company? So many reasons were stated in favour of Asayo but the problems are still there.

As for my relative who's working in Asayo, he has not been paid his commission owed to him by Asayo for months. Asayo does not pay any allowance and he has to live on a tight budget. Surviving on what little commission Asayo gives him. He's supposed to be getting 40% commission as he's supposedly a "manager" but he's seen little of that 40%. Many of us have spoken to him and advised him that he can't carry on like this but he keeps insisting that he wants to help Asayo turn around and make it big. I guess Asayo has done a great job in brainwashing him that prospects are actually good. He has so much blind faith in this company that has been existence for over 10 years but still struggling to make ends meet now.

That's not all. This relative has also customers who are owed goods from Asayo. This has been going on for months. Asayo made promise after promise to deliver but fail to deliver each time. These are customers who have made FULL PAYMENT for their goods months ago but have yet to receive them from Asayo. If Asayo really cares for their customers, how can they be doing this? This is a CURRENT problem and not a past one. I wonder what reasonable explanations there are for such cases??

Why is it that Asayo can have problems with stock for only pillows and not other products like bed pads or comforters?? Aren't pillows supposed to be cheaper?? Or is it just that the profit margin for pillows are too little that it's not worth selling anymore??

Why is it that Asayo is still recruiting when they can't even solve their current problems? Why do they sell the idea of JV and expansion to overseas markets when they can't even get stock management, cash flow and prompt paychecks right?

I also heard that some ex-employees (allegedly bosses of other similar companies) of Asayo played Asayo out or conned them and left Asayo with a huge loss to cover. If there was any wrongdoing there, why wasn't it made a legal case?? A company is conned of its money but refuses to take legal action. Something must be wrong somewhere...

A good company is one that pays their employees and delivers to their customers on time as promised. I don't think anyone can reason out that Asayo belongs to this category...

evo0307 SG

Hi all. Hoping to find out more abt Asayo and happen to came across this forum. Seems like it has been a hot topic for many years... which i feel is helping Asayo to 'advertise' itself indirectly. So well-known yet only appeared once in Wan Bao.. correct me if im wrong.

Personally feel that the topic title is a little too harsh, but not totally out of logic. I agree that Asayo is legal as it does fulfil the minimum requirements for it to be run in Singapore. And there is no doubt in the magnetic technology as it was proven to be helpful to health in certain extent. Just that the method of selling their products is something that few ppl can accept.

Have read many articles from Asayo's staff. All were saying how good their boss was and how he still managed to survive for 10+yrs if he's no good. But which of the staffs can verify whatever their boss said is true? Does anyone worked long enough to justify those who-betrayed-who stories? Asayo is able to survive 10 over yrs is due to the help of all its no-basic-pay employees. Therefore, the company can concentrate all their capital in purchasing products and resell them in overwhelming price. It's also impressive that the expansion of its workforce is unlimited without a penny coming out from the company itself.

I agree the price of many commercial products marked up a lot from their actual cost price. Business is all abt earning money. But the staffs of those companies have basic pay. They are still able to earn some amount even when times are bad. Imagine if you are one of Asayo's staff and sold only 1 product in the whole mth. Your 100% salary that mth comes from that product bought by your friend (i assumed). Does it come across your mind that you can actually be your own boss? And the only way to earn more is to climb up to the top of the hierarchy. Do you think your boss will let you climb that high to share his wealth? Perhaps these are the reasons for the bosses of Venture Era and Astral Mag to leave Asayo and start their own hierarchy. Why let others earn more when you can earn as much yourself?

Minimum start-up cost as the company only produced products when there is a need. Get full-payment from customer then order goods from Japan. That's why there's no warehouse in Asayo. Am i right? Might be the reason for the delay in delivery because the company is always not ready to deliver any goods.

The price of the product can actually be reduced if Asayo is willing to pay its employee. Meaning that if each employee is paid $300 basic pay, the product will be $300 cheaper, resulting in a wider market. Magnetic products are luxuries. Somemore it is not introduced by doctors or pharmicists instead of salesmen with little health knowledge, will reduce its market even more.

People who earn big bucks from Asayo are either started many years ago where the public is still quite ignorant to this company, or he/she have a group of 'real-supportive' friends to sell products to. Asayo is now so 'well-known' and people are only forming 2 categories: Believe or Not Believe. All the existing Asayo's staff can only target those who Believe, and the no. of ppl in this category is too little. Half of those Believe ones are already working in Asayo.

I do urge people to resign from that company as the targeted market of each employee is decreasing when its entire workforce is increasing. More ppl sharing a small piece of cake. We have spent 10+ yrs studying so much and we should actually put our concentration into what we specialised in. If you study sales marketing pls find a more stable job. Or if you are planning to be an entrepenuer than make sure you are the boss of the next MLM company like Asayo.

laurence82 SG

Originally posted by evo0307:
Hi all. Hoping to find out more abt Asayo and happen to came across this forum. Seems like it has been a hot topic for many years... which i feel is helping Asayo to 'advertise' itself indirectly. So well-known yet only appeared once in Wan Bao.. correct me if im wrong.

Personally feel that the topic title is a little too harsh, but not totally out of logic. I agree that Asayo is legal as it does fulfil the minimum requirements for it to be run in Singapore. And there is no doubt in the magnetic technology as it was proven to be helpful to health in certain extent. Just that the method of selling their products is something that few ppl can accept.

Have read many articles from Asayo's staff. All were saying how good their boss was and how he still managed to survive for 10+yrs if he's no good. [b]But which of the staffs can verify whatever their boss said is true? Does anyone worked long enough to justify those who-betrayed-who stories? Asayo is able to survive 10 over yrs is due to the help of all its no-basic-pay employees. Therefore, the company can concentrate all their capital in purchasing products and resell them in overwhelming price. It's also impressive that the expansion of its workforce is unlimited without a penny coming out from the company itself.

I agree the price of many commercial products marked up a lot from their actual cost price. Business is all abt earning money. But the staffs of those companies have basic pay. They are still able to earn some amount even when times are bad. Imagine if you are one of Asayo's staff and sold only 1 product in the whole mth. Your 100% salary that mth comes from that product bought by your friend (i assumed). Does it come across your mind that you can actually be your own boss? And the only way to earn more is to climb up to the top of the hierarchy. Do you think your boss will let you climb that high to share his wealth? Perhaps these are the reasons for the bosses of Venture Era and Astral Mag to leave Asayo and start their own hierarchy. Why let others earn more when you can earn as much yourself?

Minimum start-up cost as the company only produced products when there is a need. Get full-payment from customer then order goods from Japan. That's why there's no warehouse in Asayo. Am i right? Might be the reason for the delay in delivery because the company is always not ready to deliver any goods.

The price of the product can actually be reduced if Asayo is willing to pay its employee. Meaning that if each employee is paid $300 basic pay, the product will be $300 cheaper, resulting in a wider market. Magnetic products are luxuries. Somemore it is not introduced by doctors or pharmicists instead of salesmen with little health knowledge, will reduce its market even more.

People who earn big bucks from Asayo are either started many years ago where the public is still quite ignorant to this company, or he/she have a group of 'real-supportive' friends to sell products to. Asayo is now so 'well-known' and people are only forming 2 categories: Believe or Not Believe. All the existing Asayo's staff can only target those who Believe, and the no. of ppl in this category is too little. Half of those Believe ones are already working in Asayo.

I do urge people to resign from that company as the targeted market of each employee is decreasing when its entire workforce is increasing. More ppl sharing a small piece of cake. We have spent 10+ yrs studying so much and we should actually put our concentration into what we specialised in. If you study sales marketing pls find a more stable job. Or if you are planning to be an entrepenuer than make sure you are the boss of the next MLM company like Asayo.
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Shocked

Bollocks!

Kekeke

Muz clarify myself. As to whats inside Asayo and stuff, I have no comments as I am not on either side. But some of ur points regarding MLM typifies some of the myths and misconceptions about MLM or direct selling.

evo0307 SG

You do sounded like a teacher who is marking papers. Wink

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