Ang mohs try to act superior in Singapore

last SG · 2004-02-24T14:10:36+00:00

Finally! THat's wasn't too difficult was it? Medium build, good for combat.

SmallPanda SG

In my case, I am both. Cool Razz

Gedanken SG

You're two dogs together?! Shocked

Actually, that's a bit less gross than anything you've come up with so far - at least it's sort of natural.

Farmer Brown SG

wait...now are u a cross breed between two dogs and a panda? no wonder you're a small panda...must be due to the dogs...

haha... hey ppl might just want to keep you a a pet. hahahah,,,, think u could stay on my farm for a while and breed so i can sell?

Gedanken SG

Err, lemme see if I've got this right. He's overweight, has two black eyes and two dogs humping his legs? Confused

No wonder he's got an attitude problem, poor soul.

subudei SG

Wouldn’t you guys agree with my belief that Western society and Western media are obsessed with belittling the Chinese race and undermining its dignity? It keeps depicting Chinese women as cheap sex objects and Chinese men as non-entities. Both Western society and media keep putting forward images of Chinese women mated with Western (meaning white Caucasian) men. Well, just my two cents’, anyway. If I’m right, this is something which needs to be fought against.

Lingos SG

Thanks but you can keep your two cents.

Lucy Liu obvious..

Michelle Yeoh.. bond girl. Enough said.

Bruce Lee for not being defeated in the Green hornet vs Batman
And c'mon, check out all his movies.

Erm.. Chinese women are mating with Westies in real life, whether they are white, black, or olive. And what is your problem with this? Inferiority complex like the rest of the animals extremely xenophobic animals here?

People in media makes fun of other races as well.. and don't forget all these Chinese movies that make fun of the Westies. Haven't you laughed at those as well? Americans making fun of Greeks, Italians and Jews in the States. I don't understand why we can't laugh at ourselves just like these wogs do?

Gedanken SG

One case that Lingos forgot is Chow Yun Fatt - in fact, it took threats from the Hong Kong secret societies to finally get him to the US to film the Replacement Killers. Jet Li also enjoys a fair amount of popularity in lead roles there.

Along with the examples that Lingos has already put forward, I really cannot agree with what you have said.

Granted that in the late 60's Bruce Lee was passed over for the lead role in Kung Fu in favour of David Carradine - the producers felt that the audience could not identify with a Chinese lead character - but looking at the current trend, I believe those days are past.

As for cross-cultural backgrounds, I can't see Tiger Woods having a problem with that at all.

Devil1976 SG

You're SICK MAN.... Laughing

subudei SG

Lingos, there is no need to be rude.

Lucy Liu and Michelle Yeoh were set up as, and continue to be set up as, decorative sex objects (albeit with a kick-ass gongfu element, just to play to their Orientalism). And the West always depicts their partners as white caucasian men.

And your very examples of Asian men in Western cinema prove my point - Asian men, especially Chinese men, are only ever given an airing when they play stereotyped gongfu ass-kicking pugilists. Outside of this limited role, Chinese men are almost never depicted as normal people.

In Western portrayals of 'normal' people (i.e. people who do not happen to be gongfu ass-kicking pugilist stereotypes), Chinese men are virtually non-existent. The sole exceptions would maybe be Chow Yun Fatt in The Corruptor and that Chinese (or is he Korean?) guy on Law and Order. In Western productions that are not about ass-kicking gongfu, Chinese men are almost never present, but Chinese women are found with far greater frequency, and almost invariably with white caucasian men in their beds.

Lingo, your point about how Chinese women are sleeping with white caucasian men in real life reinforces my point, by illustrating how this unbalanced media portrayal of Chinese-Western relationships causes life to imitate art. (Well, if you can call a lot of what comes out of Hollywood these days 'art')

SmallPanda SG

Lingos, good for you! Enjoy yourself with caucasians!
But seriously, no one cares, lady. Smile
Why are you spouting off in a Singapore forum when you are not even one anymore? Its weird how you keep going on and on about caucasians as if they were something mystical or something. Laughing
I have been there and lived there way longer than you, and know more than you. So like, shut up or something? Wink

Gedanken SG

In Hollywood, Germans are portrayed as high-tech bad guys, Russians are mob figures or out-of-work KGB agents, Italians are slimy Romeos, Bruce Willis, Jean-Claude Van Damme and Arnie keep playing the same roles, so what's your point? It's not so much a racial stereotype as pandering to the lowest common denominator to deliver a product that is easily recognisable and can therefore be sold without need for too much interpretation. Like you said, we'd have to question how much Hollywood movies can be counted as art.

And you're saying that Chinese women sleep with men of other races because of what they see in the movies? I can't say that speaks too much of your view of women's intellect.

it appears that your racial views are driving the way you process tha facts - you're assembling things in a very twisted way.

Gedanken SG

Just like the way you're bragging about beating up wimps, hero? Seriously, no one cares about your boyhood fantasies, although I have to admit it makes good comedy. Smile

Its weird how you keep going on and on about caucasians as if you've got to constantly try to prove that you're not inferior. Laughing

You claim you've lived there longer, but you seem to have learned less - although, looking at your posts, that's not really surprising. Wink

edwinSSM SG

I think all of u are watching too many Hollywood movies... From my personal experience:

In Australia
U can say they are always making fun of chinese. Bump into one and they would most likely than not laugh at our height and size.

In USA
No bad experience encountered, I give them a thumbs up.

In Singapore
Hmm... This is a tough call, I would say caucasians in SG behave relatively well, except when they are drunk.

Gedanken SG

Originally posted by edwinSSM:
I think all of u are watching too much Hollywood movies... From my personal experience:

[b]In Australia
U can say they are always making fun of chinese. Bump into one and they would most likely than not laugh at our height and size.

In USA
No bad experience encountered, I give them a thumbs up.

In Singapore
Hmm... This is a tough call, I would say caucasians in SG behave relatively well, except when they are drunk.[/b]

Fair enough, Edwin, if you qualify it as your own experience. Personally, after 10 years in Australia, I've never had anyone laugh at my height or size. If anything, whenever spoke to me about being Chinese, it was to discuss the culture - these weren't just uni students either, but also people I've met at work, in pubs, restaurants and other places. It was all very civilised, and I neither shied away from the locals or went looking for a fight because there was no need to.

Then again, it could be a regional thing - which part of Oz did you go to and how long were you there?

subudei SG

It would be obtuse to say that just because Hollywood misrepresents Germans, Italians, Russians etc, that situation necessarily justifies its misrepresentation of Chinese as well. I.e. just because they do it to others, it doesn't mean that they can do it to us, too.

And even so, these days there are far fewer instances of misrepresentation of Germans, Italians, etc than there are misrepresentations of Orientals, especially Chinese.

I've already noted that Chinese women are portrayed in the West as sex objects perpetually bedded by white caucasian men - no one has yet contested the accuracy of this view.

Gedanken, I've refrained from resorting to crude personal attacks and unwelcome amateur psychological appraisals of other forum members thus far, I'm most disappointed that you had to stoop so low and lower the bar on this discussion.

Then again, there seem to be a number of SPGs on this thread, which is something I hadn't looked too closely at before but can see now. These SPGs have readily and repeatedly resorted to the crude personal attacks I mentioned above, instead of keeping things civilised. Perhaps a case of the lady protesting too much? Indicative that they may be aware of the precariousness of their position, and are so desperate to defend it that they lose sight of even the niceties of courtesy? Yep.

subudei SG

And Gedanken:

if you're trying to tell me that people, including Chinese women, are not influenced by the psychological weight of the juggernaut that is Western media, or that social choices are not influenced in any way by these forces, then you need to up-end a very large bucket of ice cold water on your head.

Media influence is particularly comprehensive in a country like Singapore, where media is at the centre of our lives. Also, Singaporeans, including Chinese women, are particularly susceptible to media influence as they are brought up in a system that discourages them from thinking for themselves and which encourages them to be spoilt, immature brats.

Gedanken SG

Okay, subudei, calling you twisted was over the top, and I do apologise. I got you mixed up with the other idiots that have posted baseless nonsense. If you wish to discuss media theory, I'm happy to go with that. Let me see if I can get this on the right spin.

It strikes me that your argument is open to questions of what is cause and what is effect, and also to the reasons behind the representation of Chinese stereotypes.

First, like I said, the implication of your assertion is that Chinese women are dating men of other races because of the influence of movies. I question if this is indeed the case. Could it not be that the fiction following the fact, and that women have their own individual motivations for choosing who they date?

Second, I'm not saying that it's all right to represent racial stereotypes. I was pointing out the fact in the context of it being a commercial imperative to sell an easily recognisable product. After all, Hollywood is driven by its box office figures, and they will do what it takes to sell tickets, even if it means taking cheap shots. I'd personally take that as the reason behind the stereotypes, rather than some deliberate attempt at maintaining prejudice.

Hopefully that clears things up.

By the way, it's not a psychological appraisal, subudei - I charge for those. Mr. Green

Gedanken SG

Ah, you're talking about the Frankfurt School's Bullet Theory. There have been many arguments against this theory since it was introduced in the 1930s, mainly in that it does not account for choices between competing concepts within a category. Certainly the notion does make intuitive sense, but if you dig deeper into it, there are so many external factors involved that the case fails to hold water.

One key factor is the gender attitudes held by some Asian men, where they take a propreital attitude towards women. Look at the threads involving dating across cultures - how many guys on this forum have expressed the notion of "our women"? Look at the reactions to women who go "I'm not anybody's property" - they're immediately hit with the sweeping derogation of SPG, if not something worse.

If you were a woman, would you like somebody to claim you as their property based entirely of the coincidence of race? Would you like to be exposed to loutish behaviour simply for making your own choices?

The Singaporean male has been seriously misrepresented by a group of bigoted mysoginists. If you want to get angry at anybody, get angry at them - they're the ones giving you a bad name.

edwinSSM SG

I only went to Melbourne, stayed there for a week only... as i have said, it's only my personal experience, maybe i bumped into the wrong guys. They only joked harmlessly about it, and I never took it to heart. It's the same for us asians when we joke harmlessly about their huge bellies....

rivereast SG

ang moh try to act superior in Singapore? i don't deny that....

but let's paint another picture. a bunch of singapore expats men in Bangkok, they would be acting superior too and looking down on the local men and picking up the local girls... is there any difference? i have witnessed this before...

think about it...

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