F.U.C.K National Service

last SG · 2003-12-20T15:57:59+00:00

this's for you too busy givin out SAF colors

laurence82 SG

Well, lucky many turned for better among my friends. But sadly, yes, tehre are many who turned for worse. Thats why those who know me, knew that this year is a bad year for me. This is the year I ORD. Like many, we miss our army days....

But this is not the sad point. Those who saw what I wrote in the Kopitiam Forum know what I meant. Seen friends mixed with those with bad influence, smoke, turned hostile, going on a self destruct path....... Crying or Very sad

[email protected] SG

yah but its still something u are exposed to, which u wouldn't if u didn't enter the army, because u can choose to disassociate with such people outside, but u can't avoid them since they will be your buddies in e army. and unless u hate smoking and smokers the way i fanatically do(if guns were legal i'd be gunning down most smokers), its very easy to succumb to.

[email protected] SG

next year will be a good year for me. its the year i finish my NS. hooray. just becos its a necessity desn't mean its pleasant. i sure as hell ain't gonna miss my lousy, useless officers who, for all their fancy officer pay, only know how to throw their own work to me to do. The army dun have to pay a Dy-S3 to hand his work(assigned by the S3) to the proj officer n they dun have to pay the proj officer to pass it to me. the S3 can just hand it to me and SAF saves the salary of 2 useless bums.

laurence82 SG

Agree with you......totally

Johnston SG

Oh, wonderful.
Another NS hater.

What you get from NS, quite simply, is either
A) basic combat training
b) basic clerk training.

That is, if you didn't go for a number of courses, such as ranger, commando and such.

Yes, you can choose to rot in NS, slack off. Or you can choose to avail yourself of the facilities there. Learn something in there. Heard of the E-prep? You can actually learn something useful while "rotting" away in NS.

In any case, you will have learnt how to survive in a office, or god forbid, survive in combat, which i doubt you can.

Let me give you a bit of history. In WWII, Hitler did something called the Holocaust. I need not go into details, but it involved the killing of of people he considered undesirable. Why? Not because of education, sex, material goods, but their RELIGION.

How would you feel if you were rounded up and stuck into a camp just because of your belief? Now, everybody knows that.

But does everybody know that before "kristallnacht", Hitler initiated a arms control act, which required all privately owned weapons to be registered to "keep track" of them? And the same lists were used to confiscate the weapons.

Now, ask yourself. Would the Jews have died in such ... horrendous numbers if they had a rifle or pistol for every 4 or 5 able-bodied men? No.

If they had been organised into a armed forces or even militia, could they have resisted the Wehrmacht and perhaps even survived to evacuate their dependents? YES.

The point is this.
A armed human is a citizen.
A unarmed human is a subject.

Which would you rather be?

[email protected] SG

ooo... im sure u'd just lurrrrrve for singapore to be like american society, with the risk of our children being gunned down in school, or us being gunned down during work. well done SOLDIER

dead_clone SG

i didn't think he meant "armed citizen" though...
u might have misinterpreted...

Johnston SG

*hmph*

What's the difference between a knifing and a shooting?
None, except that one is done with a bladed weapon, and the other is done with a firearm.

As it is, humans are by nature violent.
The risk is always there. Need i remind you that kids have fought, and on occasion, killed their classmates?

You might think this way. But one fine day, if singapore is invaded by external enemies, you will know the difference between a citizen, and a subject.

Let's examine singapore history. Do you think those males rounded up by the Kempeitai would have gone willingly and quietly to their deaths? At the end, tied to the firing post, did they wish for a rifle?

Would they, knowing what was in store for them if they were taken away, and the things in store for their family, would they have shot back at the japanese?

Let's say that one of your classmates/workmates turns violent with a knife. And takes someone hostage. Pray tell, do the police turn up with batons, or do they come with firearms to subdue the assailant?

Answer this fundamental question. If knives and non-lethal weapons are all that are needed to keep a population safe, why then are the police and soldiers armed with FIREARMS?

Or perhaps you'd prefer stun guns or pepper spray, against a pistol. Champion.

Bontakun SG

I oso ORD next yr too! Yay...
My view of NS: Some hate it, some like it... For me I dun care much... BUT we do change during dis time, whether U like it or not... But I muz sae, I do have to thank NS for wat it gives me...

It gave me an UP CLOSE & PERSONAL of how government works... its exactly da same as any big companies U see in da world. Da government may boast of how good da tech is, how advance our weapons r, how united or watsoever, but da actual interior structure of such a power is no diff from da real world.

No matter where we r posted after basic training, be it guards, armor, clerk, recce (spelling?), provost, police, scdf, anything they have, when in da end when war REALLY reaches us (I doubt much...), we ALL (men & women, young & old alike) WILL pick up a rifle & fight back! Unless U not patriotic...

So even if our lives in NS is crappy enuf, we r equipped wif da knowledge to deal wif da outside world when we finish serving it. U may not noe it, but U have it... Mr. Green

& even if it may seems we r wasting our time in NS when da females r climbing da corporate ladder, when da time really comes, we FIGHT to protect. & men in general stands a betta chance in fighting battles on da field than women... (sorry to sae but its da sad truth, gals...)

So my point is... hate it, but thank it for U will be taught & thus be well prepared for da REAL world... (No war pls... I HATE wars...)

[email protected] SG

ok. i wish for a gun now. Then I'd hunt you down and kill you. i bet u'd enjoy it. Twisted Evil

Icemoon SG

I think wishing for a rifle during that last moment does not tell us anything, other than the hatred for the aggressors and the instinct to protect yourself. But the very same feeling is incited, as it is human nature, even when you're a pacifist and hardcore supporter of arms control. Is this contradictory? No.

Does owning a rifle change anything, other than killing a few more Japanese? If anything, it will only escalate the bloodbath. If you know the history, the Japanese MASSACRED unarmed people/civilians openly 'cos of the violent resistance faced! They even mutilated the bodies of soldiers! An account is told of bodies (think Indian soldiers?) hanging on trees along Bukit Timah Road, near the present Ngee Ann Poly. The result of the Bukit Timah battle. And the Alexandra Hospital Massacre was initiated by what? I don't think I need to go on.

The Kempeitai rounded up many groups of people, and one of them is the milita or soldiers from SVC. Imagine if more people were SVC and they told the truth. All die lor.

I think if the males are combat trained, as in the case now, then the aggressors have no qualms about shooting into the civilian crowd, to defend themselves. ALL males are automatically suspect, since they have the capability to fight back.

[email protected] SG

i think policemen would have a much harder time if civilians were armed with guns. don’t get me wrong. i actually love guns, im a gun nut, but i guess… loving guns dun mean i love seeing people die by the gun.

Icemoon SG

Are you saying that since we cannot outlaw penknives and choppers, we should not outlaw pistols also?

I think you miss the point. No-one is saying we're peaceful people without firearms, but clearly the use of firearms escalate the risk? A knifing works on contact and a shooting works on projectile.

Interesting observation on kids fighting. But have you come across a kid so strong and skillful that he can kill and wound many people on knifing alone?

But surely you heard of kids firing their guns to wound and kill many people?

You like to argue by emotion. So I shall counterargue. Imagine you're the poor chap who got shot in the face in JB. At the very moment with the pistol on your face, would you rather he has a knife? Heh. Mr. Green

Or if you're a victim of the sniper attack in Washington. How would you feel? Betcha will think "if only he has a knife instead of his rifle" ...

Bontakun SG

Actually... policemen on patrol r oredi having a HARD time EVEN citizens r unarmed... imagining having to listen to their complaints... some citizens even noe da police laws & used it against them... U noe... singaporean citizens... >___<

oldbreadstinks SG

i'm one of those who wants to migrate to other countries
i dun mind NS but its hard to work here
if war breaks out i would uproot my whole family to a safe place and stay behind to fight

Bontakun SG

Yah... if we can really UPROOT our family... hate war... only make civilians suffer...

[email protected] SG

yeah so imagine how much worse it'll be if citizens have guns.

Bontakun SG

Dats Y HENG sporean citizens no fire arms... only chairs, parangs, poles, bats, sticks, kung fus, cars, bikes, rubbish bins, food, fluids, ppl... Confused

[email protected] SG

i have knives ah... i love knives. i love guns too... but too bad they r illegal...

Bontakun SG

I only like jap blades, great swords, long swords, spears, halberds, bows. No parangs... & guns too... Mr. Green

since firearms r illegal in Spore... then go for 2nd best: get da 1 in provision shops... cost no more than $5 bucks rite? can shoot at ppl oso... Laughing

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