Bus Rts that have buses not bothering to adhere to schedule

last SG · 2013-11-04T14:44:06+00:00

so mr pang fail to make his case in the lta, he come here and rant?surely sending chunks of email to his so called da jie is better than thisor he just tryin...

23ispolo SG

I take 179 very often to NTU as I teach there twice a month as a guest lecturer. The whole issue of 179/179A is just over exagerrated.

Again, I prefer SBST putting more buses on 179 than 179A as anyone in their right mind who take MRT, will alight at Pioneer to go to NTU and not Boon Lay. Only those who transfer with bus will take 179A at Boon Lay.

What about 199?

BusAnalayzer SG

What about 199?

199 capacity has been upgraded quite a bit. It used to be 4 DD / 4 SD - now it is 6 DD / 2 SD. 199 serves the north leg of the campus that is not as busy as the area where 179 operates. Yet when classes leave 199 can get really packed. On an average each bus will clock at least 55-60 pax on 199.

BusAnalayzer SG

The good thing about 199 is that it has bi-directional loading also catering to people living along Jalan Bahar and junction of Jurong West Ave 3. It is faster than 181 to Boon Lay.

SMB128B SG

sbst275 is like SMB388S... ha ha ha ha..

Not exactly...

SMB388S is a clone which posts things not related at all, this guy sbst275 has his own created facts which he thinks makes him a better person than the rest of us but all that really happens is it simply shows his arrogance...

carbikebus SG

199 still in control even with 5 DDs and 3 SDs,The DDs seldom full house compared o 179

negotiable SG

Not exactly...

oh no.. thats wad he wants u to think one..

fact is he has links to some of the ppl he know in lta so well, he can affectionally call them by name. like j_____, c__ and f____. needless tosay, they are the ones that ply him with juicy info

info that make him think he is so darn gd ppl must listen to him and he no nid listen to others, cuz he can act superior by sayin this info cannt share but he know, so he get exclusive info which means he is better

fact is, he jus want 179a for his own personal benefit (lik wad other ppl said, most ppl will take 179 to trf at pioneer, but he is jus that small minority that wan 179a skipping pioneer so dat can fast fast reach bnl so that he can trf 198

his obsession with 179a is cos he has sth against smrt, he lan lan also dunwan take mrt.

if u see his post carefully, his main key pt is abt runtime from ntu to bnl. obviously if 179 were to stop at pioneer it will increase his travel time more.

of course he wun want that

lastly, fact is j_____ sort of wan to "jio" him to join lta aft he grad from ntu. so lemme pose this qn again: do u think the public tpt scene will be better off if he ever join lta?

sgbuses SG

oh no.. thats wad he wants u to think one..

fact is he has links to some of the ppl he know in lta so well, he can affectionally call them by name. like j_____, c__ and f____. needless tosay, they are the ones that ply him with juicy info

his obsession with 179a is cos he has sth against smrt, he lan lan also dunwan take mrt.

if u see his post carefully, his main key pt is abt runtime from ntu to bnl. obviously if 179 were to stop at pioneer it will increase his travel time more.

of course he wun want that

lastly, fact is j_____ sort of wan to "jio" him to join lta aft he grad from ntu. so lemme pose this qn again: do u think the public tpt scene will be better off if he ever join lta?

Not a bad idea for him to join the transport industry. It will knock some sense into him very quickly and he won't be posting anything online after signing the OSA/NDA, ever.

negotiable SG

Not a bad idea for him to join the transport industry. It will knock some sense into him very quickly and he won't be posting anything online after signing the OSA/NDA, ever.

i dont really care if he choose to post info online or not..bt gd point

its more of given his myopic one-sided selfish thots abt the current public transport system..i rly cant imagine what will happen if he does join

BusAnalayzer SG

199 still in control even with 5 DDs and 3 SDs,The DDs seldom full house compared o 179

yes of course 199 can't be compared to 179 as it just serves the north leg. But can tell you when the classes leave, you can have good number of people taking it. Hence, I think they upgraded 2 SD slots to DD. Whenever I have taken it, it has between 65-80 pax.

sbst275 SG

In the first place, what’s on the e-guide is 5 – 7 mins for S179 during the PM peak.

Yet today, I still see S179 running at 4 mins.. The next thing was the brunching S179 blocking the road at 27211 because the 2nd bay is occupied by internal shuttle or S179A… That S179 bus was holding up traffic for some 1.5 mins…

Then BC still want to stop inside zig zag line even after he has already signalled intension to move off… That began my suspicion… How come BC so nice, heck care abt traffic rule to pick up pax… Obviously SLBP manipulating bus schedule again…. only 179 plying 27211…. might as well pick up since next bus is 179 which would end up full… lor…

Oh… S179 overoperated at 4 mins, S179A no bus… Freq at about 12 – 20 mins…

The best is.. some S179 trips even entered NTU empty! Pioneer Rd Nth no passenger to bring in… So how now… Incur runtime and still no pax?

The average over-operated S179 was about 5% loading into NTU… That’s like giving only some $0.80 of fare on average…. The outbound was full, average taking should be around $88… That’s with 55 mins of total runtime…

The S179A corresponding trip took up about 90 passengers with taking at around $85 also… 42 mins of runtime…

As for the data… Dun tell me what OSA.. The figure was given by LTA via corp comms… So dun jump into conclusion that all these info are sensitive… It’s all given openly…

As for negotiable… Baseless allegation… Alrdy there’s 2 incidents of MRT BLE breaking down during the S179A PM peak slot within 1 month… Dun tell me there’s totally no loading/ bus stop mess happened at Pioneer Stn where pax of overoperated S179 alight… to find themselves to fight with those originally stranded at Pioneer for a bus to Boon Lay…

This problem is compounded w/ all the factory buses, NTU shuttle bus pax.. All would be fighting for spaces on 179, 241, 255 & 257.

It’s just like what happened at Bishan Stn in Dec 2011 when the NSL broke down… The CCL kept on feeding people… The next thing within 20 mins, the Bishan Rd northbound bus stop crowd had spilled over to the left lane…

Furthermore, anti SMRT? Then explain why LTA simply is not re-routing 182 into Joo Koon Stn or Pioneer Stn right now? People work so far, they should be given access to nearest MRT Stn instead!

There’s NTU students who has to do IA at Tuas South… So why no one is suggesting to LTA get 182 to ply Pioneer Stn instead?

There’s obviously reasons behind all these…

sbst275 SG

The S179 problem reminds me of how KMB in Hong Kong…

In HK a lot of the peak hour special buses also has to incur dead mileages like 301, 43P…

But people are still operating the buses because this arrangement is better than implementing an return leg that makes no sense to run. Quickly turnaround make another trip on another service already [for likes of 43P].

As for what timetabling issues, it’s all based on estimation…

End up now 179… SLBP likes to collect all the 10c, 20c than properly operating the main demand during the PM peak which cost 73c to 103c.

1st time yours truly see people earn revenue by seeing the 10c, 20c business…

All the Best! SG

There’s obviously reasons behind all these…

What r the reasons?

BusAnalayzer SG

It is obvious that you cannot please everyone. Once Joo Koon Interchange is up, there will be a rationalization and change in JIS services incl 182/192/193. Right now, they need Boon Lay as the starting point. I see at least 3-4 new services getting introduced with launch of Joo Koon.

BusAnalayzer SG

179A on an average takes 50-55 pax at Boon Lay (AM peak) with frequency 06-08 mins. It can be more at certain times.

BusAnalayzer SG

Every bus of 179 takes at least 65-70 pax during AM peak with frequency of 03-05 mins. Again, can be more depending on certain timings. Clearly why they over-operate 179 compared to 179A.

sbst275 SG

Every bus of 179 takes at least 65-70 pax during AM peak with frequency of 03-05 mins. Again, can be more depending on certain timings. Clearly why they over-operate 179 compared to 179A.

Eh... There are certain timebelt 2x S179A = 1x S179 dispatch... Which is why the stipulated freq is 3 - 6 mins. But in any case, there's still people who would take 179 from Boon Lay during AM peak... All thanks to what the timekeepers did in the past... Purposely make the 179A queue very long.. ask people to squeeze more.. then the pax who still cannot board.. make them wait another 10 mins for next bus... The squeeze until during LO3x era.. people can't even alight the bus at the first few bus stops inside NTU... Incur all the additional and waste runtime.. Then 179 over-operate... You can ask around people and they'll tell you SBST operating 179A is a joke.. sometimes no bus at all one... In the first place... SLBP people dunno how to manage high demand routes actually.. squeeze this squeeze that... lambat here, lambat there... dunno how to make the bus quickly turnaround and make sure the semi express variant is really semi express... If SLBP still want to play this.. Might as well they dun operate 179A at all.. All the PM peak 23 buses run as 179 since they like to collect all the 10c and 20c inbound DBTF... Then freq is at 2.5 mins per bus... Then see later South Spine people will complain or not... 7pm - 8pm mealbreak period S179 still cannot clear the crowd... Then at BNL boarding bay... 243G BC will get tulan or not... You make money is by making things efficient.. which is the schedulers job... Not going around chut pattern, delay this and that...

sbst275 SG

and what’s surprising is over at NUS..

BBDEP follows scheduler’s plan…. There’s 96B downroute from Kent Ridge Terminal to Clementi Int…

Make downroute dun make money.. but how come RM at BBDEP follows it?

SLBP cannot follow?

sbst275 SG

There’s a fine line over over-operating buses…

What happens if Pioneer Stn MRT station no train ops? Then people post photo of the bus stop mess.. so many 179 over-operated?

Or 179A duty bus get into RTA while running as 179… How to file report to LTA vocational department?

This kind of thing… Dun wait until trouble brews over illegal ops of buses before the axe begins to appear on people’s rice bowl…

sbst275 SG

ah yes.. Dun think I not sharp eye…

S241 PM peak overoperated also… 2 mins effective freq..

Buses obviously pulled over from 179A…

Not the 1st time already…

SLBP’s pattern dun think I dunno….

The worst thing is S241 BC also dun observe traffic rule… At Jurong West St 91 turning to Pioneer Rd Nth still use left lane to do right turn… Nearly a daily affair…

I think is scared of lambat at Pioneer Stn.. which SBST peeps at Braddell did not account for cos it’s not supposed to be there…

sbst275 SG

Seriously… Spare the agony..

If SLBP thinks 179 more demand or is because NTUSU or NTU admin staff asking for more 179… Then tell Braddell ppl to plan for 100% 179 ops during PM peak… at 2.5 mins freq with the same 23 buses…

No more 27231 or 27281 downroute.. since SLBP want to pao jiak all the 10c or 20c inbound fare… 10c or 20c more profitable than earning $1.03 or $0.93!

Later at BNL boarding bay, after 243G complete boarding ops… 3x S179 waiting behind if 1st bus was actually lambat by 1 min… Creating blockade at Int driveway…

later at 27211 also block traffic…

later South Spine there crowd cannot clear.. even until 8pm cannot clear…

Then increase runtime for 241 as well… by 3 mins.. because of the Pioneer Stn ops… SLBP BCs over there anyhow alight people all these while.. 4th bus also alight pax cos all dun want to wait…

That’s how SLBP say this kind of bus ops is the only way to be profitable…

Tell people how be content with current ops… make all the other pax suffer only…

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