MAN A22s for Service 950

last SG · 2013-01-19T21:37:01+00:00

Yes should be replacing the Volgren Merc..Heard its 6 units including spares.Cross border got 2 powerful citybus in MB OC500LE & MAN NL323F

SBS2656X SG

You haven't seen the queue for 170X/170/160 at Kranji Stn yesterday.

SBS2601D SG

After attempting to take 950 from Malaysia back to SG and failing to do so, ending up on 170 instead, I can only say that 950 is one seriously f*cked up service that is never there when you need it.

Really what is the point of 950 when 160, 170 do a better job at clearing the crowd and then I can always take 911, 178 etc if I want to go to WRI?

The same story for NR6 and SBST 6N, after experiencing so much crappy service from the former that got even WORSE, I figured this was another hopeless service and I'll be happier taking cab if there's people splitting the cost, or taking 6N on festive seasons.

How many complaints have there been on nightriders going wrong way?

Go figure.

Desmond Kwek was right in saying the entire management of SMRT either was non-existent or just f*cked up. And the attitude goes all the way down to the SLs.

I took 854 a couple of weeks ago at night and despite people flagging for the bus at least 3 stops, the BC never bothered even to slow down and stop!

Seriously wtf is wrong with this company?

SMB195G SG

You should see 302 yesterday. One whole day the bus pack to the brim.

SMB195G SG

I think 950 should not be created in the first place. Stupid govt want to have competition between cross border service. Should just use the resources on other services.

sbst275 SG

Kranji diff…

but 170X is way too dependent on CIQ traffic condition… 3 potential hazards on Weekend

1) Lorry.. Ever since KTM no more cargo sv, more n more lorries.. The jam problem getting bad.. This one bus can still siam using Woodlands Ave 3, Woodlands Centre Rd.

2) The Car jam… This one is more towards JB, once it reaches a certain point.. The bus has to merge into the car lane [during jam’s pov]...

3) The queue up of buses into JB CIQ [Woodlands bound]...

SBS2601D SG

I am all for the 950 route.

Because the crowd at Kotaraya makes Boon Lay at peak hour look puny.

But the 950 created doesnt even stop at Kotaraya, nor is its frequency anywhere close to 170.

You know how come?

Because SMRT lacks the resources.... and the management style.

dan474 SG

data indicates that contrary to some speculation, SMRTB routes do not bleed as much as SBST in overall terms.

which is curious. apparently SBST services do not earn as much in per bus distance (km) terms as we often imagined.

It really is the cost in per bus terms that was staggering for SMRT, and I would think one major reason is really how SMRT BCs love to floor the pedal.

Another source revealed that educating Chinese truck drivers in Guangzhou on fuel efficiency tactics (ie not flooring the pedal unnecessarily) saved companies as much as 30% in fuel cost.

food for thought.

then is it the refurbishment of older buses + overhaul and maintenance that causes SMRTB to bleed more money in total more than SBST?

dan474 SG

You haven't seen the queue for 170X/170/160 at Kranji Stn yesterday.

queue for 170X at kranji is forever long... but i cant understand why people cant just take 178 and walk into the CIQ rather than queueing there for dunno how long.

dan474 SG

Kranji diff…

but 170X is way too dependent on CIQ traffic condition… 3 potential hazards on Weekend

1) Lorry.. Ever since KTM no more cargo sv, more n more lorries.. The jam problem getting bad.. This one bus can still siam using Woodlands Ave 3, Woodlands Centre Rd.

2) The Car jam… This one is more towards JB, once it reaches a certain point.. The bus has to merge into the car lane [during jam’s pov]...

3) The queue up of buses into JB CIQ [Woodlands bound]...

there's a special lane for lorries and buses on the causeway towards JB. so it should be quite fast until the buses have to merge into the car lane. and there is no queue of buses into JB CIQ.

dan474 SG

After attempting to take 950 from Malaysia back to SG and failing to do so, ending up on 170 instead, I can only say that 950 is one seriously f*cked up service that is never there when you need it.

Really what is the point of 950 when 160, 170 do a better job at clearing the crowd and then I can always take 911, 178 etc if I want to go to WRI?

How many complaints have there been on nightriders going wrong way?

Go figure.

Desmond Kwek was right in saying the entire management of SMRT either was non-existent or just f*cked up. And the attitude goes all the way down to the SLs.

I took 854 a couple of weeks ago at night and despite people flagging for the bus at least 3 stops, the BC never bothered even to slow down and stop!

Seriously wtf is wrong with this company?

as above, people are really very lazy to walk out to the WTCP bus stop... but i still find 950's frequency more consistent than 160/170. outbound at WDL checkpoint, normally 1 950 = 4 160/170(X).

IMO i rather stand on 950 then on 160/170. those DM3500 ceiling is low and it feels extremely cramped, and the boarding is very messy.

dan474 SG

950A for what…

The bus enters Woodlands CIQ would have to depart for JB.. there’s no U-turning back…

introducing 950A is useless... you cant u-turn at SG side, only JB side.

SMB195G SG

introducing 950A is useless... you cant u-turn at SG side, only JB side.

maybe they should make use of the u-turn in JB. Dont need renumber as 950A. I see some 170 buses u-turn at JB CIQ.

sbst275 SG

950.. consistent…

ya 160 is also cui once the jam is very bad…

but once there’s jam, and it’s very bad.. 950 25 mins also no bus.. but there’s still 170X at least.

sbst275 SG

You know why ppl if they can dun take 178???

The CHECKPOINT mode issue… Get it?

and is the queue at Kranji that long… mmm… abt 3 or 4 full load length..

SBS2601D SG

then is it the refurbishment of older buses + overhaul and maintenance that causes SMRTB to bleed more money in total more than SBST?

SBST did far more refurbishment than SMRT in fact.

Even if SBST did not do as complete a refurbishment back in the recent years for their Volvos, they have far more buses to re-seat, put some nice new AC fabric covers etc.

Not to mention that there are less visible overhauls. Compare the engines of SBST buses against SMRT ones and I would hazard a guess that it is not only because SBST mainteinance seems more consistent but the engines and gearboxes are overhauled more often. Nobody has yet to dig up NEL's mainteinance schedule against EWL and NSL, but the latter 2 have been cited as sorely lacking in crucial mainteinance.

No matter how they did so much nice refurbishment on the L113s, the fact remained that the bus engine sounded horrible and smoke was actually entering the bus interior. And I was referring to my ride on 673, supposed to be part of the newest batch of L113s.

I used to think the B10Ms had pretty horrible grinding sounds when they moved and the gearbox gear clanging and meshing were very terrible.

Then to my dismay the SMRT 0405s have so much more of these problems now.

sbst275 SG

there's a special lane for lorries and buses on the causeway towards JB. so it should be quite fast until the buses have to merge into the car lane. and there is no queue of buses into JB CIQ.

you sure or not.. once it reaches the viaduct, the lorry would turn in... left only 2 lanes for bus & cars to use together... it's only SG bound that ICA can open up the right lane of JB bound into SG bound for lorry [weekday, sat] and buses to use... so 2 lane to JB, 4 lanes to SG...

SBS2601D SG

950.. consistent…

ya 160 is also cui once the jam is very bad…

but once there’s jam, and it’s very bad.. 950 25 mins also no bus.. but there’s still 170X at least.

I'm not bothered arguing about whether 950 consistent or not.

Who cares.

I'm just not gonna bother about taking 950 if I value my patience and sanity.

sbst275 SG

AC7, 160, 170, 170X, 950 all gotta test is how rigid the dispatch is once there’s a weekend jam… n it’s crawling…

Obviously, at first waiting time would be erratic when the jam begins to kick in.. but how fast the adjustment is made…

TIB1234T SG

SMB263T, SMB283K, SMB284H...

sbst275 SG

can’t check now..

cos only JB bound is jammed… The only likely delay is at the bottleneck as bus approaches JB CIQ…

Evening maybe got the Bas Kilang…

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