Double Deckers for SMRT

last SG · 2012-05-05T11:18:10+00:00

There is no need for any DD or Bendy bus for SMRT just normal SD bus will do. increase the frequent of the bus timing will help to make the different. with d...

SMB128B SG

Bendies are already so messy in Woodlands interchange. Look at all the jams they created during peak hours. People have to even walk on the road to the berth when alighting the buses because bendy buses block all the way for the buses behind. And you think people move in on board bendy buses, BCs also need to shout. Sometimes you even see the back trailer with no standees, waste of space on the roads, block other buses way as well.

291 and 241 loads are also very heavy but you don't always see delays and jams in the bus stops and interchanges, unlike bendies which also creates messy jams and bottel necks in Woodlands intechange, long queues as well for Yishun and Chu Chua Kang interchange.

Woodlands don't need more bendies, they need 1 or 2 more feeder bus services to balance the load from the current feeder services.

Yo boy.

I am talking about Woodlands feeders.

Woodlands. Where do you stay?

I can understand the bendy situation at Woodlands Int. that is a minority. So are you telling me DDs can do better? Please lah. Woodlands Int was built bigger to house in the bendies, serves a purpose you know. Packed interchanges are inevitable.

And yes, BCs shouting is common. SDs have this problem also. DD worse still. Block the stairway. People wan move up also cannot. How can you confirm bendies in Woodlands don't have pax at the trailer?

And again, it's WOODLANDS I'm talking about here, if you're stupid enough not to understand English. Please don't pull in Yishun and CCK here. We're not talking about utilisation of bendies here.

Yes, bendies go faster than DDs. That means more efficient rides. Faster to balik kampong. DDs move terribly slow do you know.

Please lah. We ppl oso lazy listen you this kind of ppl, coz you're talking for sake of logic, but the sake of YOUR OWN. A person who 100% despise bendies and create havoc in a bendy club. C'mon lah, if you're not happy, f*** off lah, at least I still justify between DDs and bendies, you? See not happy argue. I only got to say: wrong place kid.

SMB128B SG

Raintrees are everywhere in Singapore.

Why other places not affected using DDs???

And raintrees can grow at heights taller than a DD.

You need a lesson on biology my young boy.

SBS 1000U SG

Can you elaborate? You said WRI already flooded like shit and you still said add 1 to 2 more fbs? Even if they use rigids it'll create more tremendous jams. You have to edit your post or else people will misunderstand. If you want to add fbs, think ways of reducing few bendies to rigids and give them to AMDEP

If you park at the berth for boarding and alighting the length of the bus always blocks the way of other buses behind. The trailer part espcially blocks the path of the other bus behind.

If it is boarding, only 1 bendy can stop there and allow boarding. Bus behind have to wait. If it is a SD, at least there is space for another bus behind to stop at the berth for passengers of another bus service to board, and can move off after all its passengers boarded. At least the bus did not block the path of another bus in the berth behind. But bendy bus is different. The whole of the lenght blocks the bus behind to delay its baording process and the rear trailer sometimes even black the bus behind another berth. Alighting is the same. Epic part is that if one bendy bus stuck at the rearmost alighting berth, it creates a whole queue of jams behind. Worst is when 2 bendy buses hog 2 alighting berths, other buses have no choice but to stop in between the 2 bendies and away from the kerb to allow people to alight, which is so dangerous and inconvenient. Not to mention that people have to walk more after alighting the bus, especially when some BCs are so fed up with these queues and jams that they decided to berth at somewhere further to avoid them.

Because of these, other buses behind have to delay, BCs breaktimes delayed, passengers waiting times delayed and all these delays waste a lot of time and decreases the efficiency of buses.

12m buses are different. They have the flexibility of moving in and out more easily once they have done their business. No need to take up so much space on the roads and berths. No need to waste so much time to change lane and just to move the whole damn lenghty thing out which takes more time and space just to move out.

Just look at the queues and jams they created in the bus interchanges everyday. Even the BCs are so tired of them which makes them honk at these buses many times.

SBS 1000U SG

Yo boy.

I am talking about Woodlands feeders.

Woodlands. Where do you stay?

And again, it's WOODLANDS I'm talking about here, if you're stupid enough not to understand English. Please don't pull in Yishun and CCK here. We're not talking about utilisation of bendies here.

Yes, bendies go faster than DDs. That means more efficient rides. Faster to balik kampong. DDs move terribly slow do you know.

Minority??? GO observe more before talking rubbish here. everytime I go Woodlands interchange there is sure to be a jam somewhere, unless it is very late at night.

You think Woodlands interchange will still cope in future when the govt wants to put more buses in future??? Do you think the govt will continue to let the packed interchange problem to be inevitable forever??? Sorry, that is not the govt wants, packed and jammed bus interchanges. In this case, they will never justify the money they spend on more buses and bus services for the future. And they won't expand the interchange further just to house bendies in future. The land space needs in future are for other purposes as well. If they can use more buses at standard lenghts that gives them better efficiencies using the same land area, it is more justifiable for them to standardise their operations, rather than all the long bendies that creates more jams, queues and mess and wasting more land space just to house them.

The current SMRT depots are already so crowded and messy and buses have to park outside the depot. All thanks to those road hogging bendies. I won't want SMRT to get any new bendies. I hope they can get all standard 12m SDs and DDs which gives them much less problems in delays, space constraints and scheduling in their bus operations. I hope they can be as efficient as SBST as well.

Bendies go faster than DDs??? My foot. Bendies tend to hog as well, especially single lane roads. A nightmare for other buses and motorists behind. And they are very accident prone, having the highest accident rate compared to DDs and SDs. And no need for so fast in urban operations, engines wear out faster, buses burnt faster and you see more bendies burnt. Shortage of buses just because of all these burnt bendies costs SMRT bus operations negatively. Look like you never seen a DD overtake a bendy before as well. You are always living in your well.

Lazy to listen then too bad for you, because you refuse to accept the truth. Continue to live in your own world. Cannot argue, say lazy and spew vulgarities. Epic.

You need a lesson on biology my young boy.

I've seen tall raintrees before, lazy boy.

SBS 6078 M SG

If you park at the berth for boarding and alighting the length of the bus always blocks the way of other buses behind. The trailer part espcially blocks the path of the other bus behind.

Because of these, other buses behind have to delay, BCs breaktimes delayed, passengers waiting times delayed and all these delays waste a lot of time and decreases the efficiency of buses.

Just look at the queues and jams they created in the bus interchanges everyday. Even the BCs are so tired of them which makes them honk at these buses many times.

All SMRT bus are SDs. It is just that they are seperated into rigids and bendies. If they dont use bendies, how are they going to take the load? You going to ask SMRT waste more money buy those rigids which are pretty useless during p hours. And some of the bendies still have to wait for 11 more years till de-registration. You cant expect SMRT to buy DDs as they have their disadvantages too. Everything has it advantages and disadvantages. If you're whining here about bendies and showing your rage and hatred in this thread, then I advise you. Either fuck off or dont even bother to come here. Coming here and showing your hatred is just flooding this thread with your nonsense. Why even bother coming here when you're just talking about bendies, not DDs for SMRT? Use some common sense kids, if you want DDs so badly, go fork out the sum of money yourself. Look at those buses in Nepal, those buses are either NAC or CAC. And those CAC buses' aircon don't even work sometimes. So stop whining for we're already fortunate enough to have good buses in Singapore. Nepal dosen't even have bendies or DD, not even a single unit. If you want to continue to whine here, go create a thread yourself and whine it out there, nobody would care about it and you won't get banned.

SBS 1000U SG

All SMRT bus are SDs. It is just that they are seperated into rigids and bendies. If they dont use bendies, how are they going to take the load? You going to ask SMRT waste more money buy those rigids which are pretty useless during p hours. And some of the bendies still have to wait for 11 more years till de-registration. You cant expect SMRT to buy DDs as they have their disadvantages too. Everything has it advantages and disadvantages. If you're whining here about bendies and showing your rage and hatred in this thread, then I advise you. Either fuck off or dont even bother to come here. Coming here and showing your hatred is just flooding this thread with your nonsense. Why even bother coming here when you're just talking about bendies, not DDs for SMRT? Use some common sense kids, if you want DDs so badly, go fork out the sum of money yourself. Look at those buses in Nepal, those buses are either NAC and CAC. And those CAC buses' aircon don't even work sometimes. So stop whining for we're already fortunate enough to have good buses in Singapore. Nepal dosen't even have bendies or DD, not even a single unit. If you want to continue to whine here, go create a thread yourself and whine it out there, nobody would care about it and you won't get banned.

I am not saying not stop using them immediately. I said before SMRT can gradually change to DDs while the exisiting bendies are being scrapped in the coming years. The transport landscape is changing from now, we can't keep on harping on the old problems forever. Yes, they may have advantages but having more disadvantages than SDs and DDs. How much longer and how much more problems is the govt going to face if these problems don't get solved now??? 11 years??? The last batch has less than 8 years left. These years are good enough that SMRT gradually change to DDs while taking into consideration of more buses on the roads in future and DTL.

You are not for discussion then keep quiet. Another epic example to spew vulgarities to justify your points.

SBS 6078 M SG

You are not for discussion then keep quiet. Another epic example to spew vulgarities to justify your points.

There will be refurbished bendies and the last batch were registered in 2004. If refurbished it will be 19 years and 2004 + 19 = 2023. And you're also not on for discussion, so what gives you the right to ask people to keep quiet? You're just whining here by showing your hatred to bendies. I doubt they would even purchase DDs as DTLs are coming. SMRT will sort out their problem themselves and it won't help in any bit if you continue to whine here. And it's not like you say scrap this bus then scrap this bus. You must give a particular reason if it is not burnt / accident before it's lifespan ends. Plus I've already showed a photo of how much trouble is needed to go through to scrap just 1 particular DD. Though a bendy might be more easy to scrap, that dosen't mean you say "SCRAP" means scrap in 1 day.

Gus.chong SG

All SMRT bus are SDs. It is just that they are seperated into rigids and bendies. If they dont use bendies, how are they going to take the load? You going to ask SMRT waste more money buy those rigids which are pretty useless during p hours. And some of the bendies still have to wait for 11 more years till de-registration. You cant expect SMRT to buy DDs as they have their disadvantages too. Everything has it advantages and disadvantages. If you're whining here about bendies and showing your rage and hatred in this thread, then I advise you. Either fuck off or dont even bother to come here. Coming here and showing your hatred is just flooding this thread with your nonsense. Why even bother coming here when you're just talking about bendies, not DDs for SMRT? Use some common sense kids, if you want DDs so badly, go fork out the sum of money yourself. Look at those buses in Nepal, those buses are either NAC and CAC. And those CAC buses' aircon don't even work sometimes. So stop whining for we're already fortunate enough to have good buses in Singapore. Nepal dosen't even have bendies or DD, not even a single unit. If you want to continue to whine here, go create a thread yourself and whine it out there, nobody would care about it and you won't get banned.

I agree with you. Nobody will be able to board any bus at the bus stops where the sectors are full of passengers if SMRT only have rigid buses.

Gus.chong SG

There will be refurbished bendies and the last batch were registered in 2004. If refurbished it will be 19 years and 2004 + 19 = 2023.

SMRT will still be purchasing bendies in the future, so the last batch of bendies are not the Hispano Habits.

SBS 6078 M SG

SMRT will still be purchasing bendies in the future, so the last batch of bendies are not the Hispano Habits.

I meant the present

Gus.chong SG

I meant the present

Ok then, but at least my point is that there will be more bendies in the future.

SBS 6078 M SG

You are not for discussion then keep quiet. Another epic example to spew vulgarities to justify your points.

One more thing to say, I've observed your posts and ever since the start of this thread in may, you've been whining constantly on SMRT using bendies. Just admit to the fact that you cant agree and get along with how SMRT works like what 'TIB783G' said. You also claimed that you are not saying not to stop using them immediately, then why are you whining from the start of the thread.

Admit the fact that you don't get along with how SMRT works and you're showing your hatred for bendies, kiddo.

Have you every heard of bendies killing people in accidents? Only 1, TIB992U killed a maid. How bout the rigid OCs? 14 OCs was involved in an accident 5 years, 3 casualities. And those victims may be disabled for the rest of their lives, worst then dying, though it might make their family feel sad.

So you think rigids are better then bendies, huh? Go to countries like Nepal and stay their for the rest of your life. They have no DDs / Bendies, Longest bus 11.5M, either NAC or CAC buses.

TIB 501 D SG

SBS 1000U,

Shut up. From day one since I joined this forum, I have been tolerating your posts up till now. You call us kiddos, but in fact you're the real kiddo here... Kid, you should be thrown to a country where there is no public transport, see how you'll survive there with all your complaints. At least SG's transport system may not be world class but at least it's good enough already.

You older generation tell us to appreciate what we have, but in fact it is reversed, we are the ones accepting SBST and SMRT for who they are. Stop whining. And worse, you even have the cheek to spoil my bendy bus fan club part 2.

If you really like to complain so much, then I have nothing to say...

SBS 1000U SG

Admit the fact that you don't get along with how SMRT works and you're showing your hatred for bendies, kiddo.

So you think rigids are better then bendies, huh? Go to countries like Nepal and stay their for the rest of your life. They have no DDs / Bendies, Longest bus 11.5M, either NAC or CAC buses.

Well, I never say I don't agree on SMRT works, but I always emphasize that bendies don't work out for SMRT anymore and in the future, and especially for the bus sytem in the future when the govt is going to add more buses and bus routes in line with more population in future.

Even if all of them are to be scrapped in the coming years, we still need to highlight the problems that created now so that SMRT will not repeat the mistake that TIBS made to buy them again. Kid, the road demographics are different now, the demand is higher now and the govt is dealing with more challenging problems like increasing population, more buses on the roads and more bus services in future. They are looking into HK way of public transport system, because our population density and transportation needs is almost the same of what they are 20 years from present.

In regards to any accidents, you think every news report or other source will report all kinds of accidents on the roads everyday??? A side swipe is still an accident, a major crash in the tree is still an accident. You don't forget how many accidents bendies caused this year, major ones like the one that crashed into a bus stop, and cases where a few are burnt. How many buses you want SMRT to lose till you are happy to see they are really of shortage of buses???

You want bendies then migrate to Europe. Singapore is not a place for bendies in future.

SMRT will still be purchasing bendies in the future, so the last batch of bendies are not the Hispano Habits.

Assuming again. And no, they might not and best not to for the interest of a better public transport.

Not all buses will extend to 19 years, even if it is refurnished. You only assume.

And stop spewing vulgarities if you think you have nothing to say. I didn't tell you to keep quiet.

I already said they will scrap once the lifespan of 17 years is up. Which point do you still don't understand??? In logic, all bigger buses, DDs or bendies are not easy to scrap because they are big.

Gus.chong SG

Assuming again. And no, they might not and best not to for the interest of a better public transport.

** Facepalm **

Did you even see the other thread before even coming over to say that I was the one assuming that SMRT will continue to buy bendies? Looks like you are unclear of the situation here. SMRT had indeed chose to buy DDs but this doesn't mean they will stop buying bendies for the sake of being a better public transport operator.

If you didn't really get hold of the correct information before you come, you cannot say that others are assuming things here. It's my turn to say that you are assuming that your belief that SMRT will not buy anymore bendies in the future is true. In fact, since you had replied in that particular thread, by right you should have seen the tender notice that SMRT is tendering for bendies. But you are coming here to say that I'm assuming, so frankly speaking, you may not have seen the tender notice but it is possible by only a minority of percentage. The truth is that you did see the tender notice but you are twisting the facts in front of me. Unless you have other reliable proof that SMRT is only tendering for and buying DDs only, not both, otherwise you will have to explain for your words.

Gus.chong SG

Bendies have smaller corridors, whereas DDs (Wrights have) 2 parking spaces for wheelchairs and a big standing area. This standing area is similar to that of the joint between bendies, where there is nothing to hold and very uncomfortable to stand.

DDs can only have 1 wheelchair bay. If you look at the interior of a DD and a Scania K230UB (Euro IV), presume that the lower deck interior is that of a Scania, the space of one wheelchair and the front seats is replaced with the stairs in a DD, there isn't enough space to put 2 wheelchair bays.

TIB1218R SG

So???

One bloody bendy bus stuck there for 5 mins to load all the passnegers and block the way of all the buses behind. One DD also take up 5 mins to load all the passengers but don't block the other buses behind in the bus stop.

That is the main reason why every morning the bus stop outside Yishun interchange and inside interchange to jammed by bendy buses everyday. Everytime have to waste time waiting for those stupid bendy buses infront to clear before my bus can actually move into the bus stop or exit from Yishun interchange into Yishun Ave 2.

Sometimes I wish I can break that stupid bendies into half.

Every morning got jam at Yishun? Sure or not?

I don't think you have take 800,804,806,811 and 812...

TIB 501 D SG

Every morning got jam at Yishun? Sure or not?

I don't think you have take 800,804,806,811 and 812...

This was what I told u when I met u in Yishun Int.

TIB1138M SG

We join both the double decker and bendy bus fan club for good reasons.

It's just a matter of preference.

I prefer BENDY BUSES, but does that mean I hate DOUBLE DECKERS?

I'm sure most of you have the same answer as me.

TIB1138M SG

You want bendies then migrate to Europe. Singapore is not a place for bendies in future.

Assuming again. And no, they might not and best not to for the interest of a better public transport.

Not all buses will extend to 19 years, even if it is refurnished. You only assume.

And stop spewing vulgarities if you think you have nothing to say. I didn't tell you to keep quiet.

I already said they will scrap once the lifespan of 17 years is up. Which point do you still don't understand??? In logic, all bigger buses, DDs or bendies are not easy to scrap because they are big.

"they will scrap once the lifespan of 17 years is up"

You are assuming, please dun say people assume then you assume

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