Predict Next Set of Bus Service Improvements

last SG · 2013-01-09T09:49:38+00:00

Capacity increase with DDs:svc 242 (2 DDs, 4 SDs) +1 242 only had 1 DD.

BusAnalayzer SG

No load between AMK - TPY =/= no demand.

Long-haul ppl still take 159 to TPY. Just asking, how many times have you really taken 159 full-route? And when? Please don't be so selfish and observe more. Frankly, I can tell u many Sengkang ppl take 159 to TPY and not 163.

How many times have you taken 159? Do you even know the loading pattern? 159 almost gets empty at AMK Ave 5, and it still has seated capacity till AMK. The bus gets almost empty here, and then there are few people boarding / alighting. Again the load increases on Bradell road to TPY but that completely depends on which bus comes first. There are alternatives and many 28, 73, 105, 153, 155 to TPY from Bradell road or even Lor Chuan.

lemon1974 SG

this sound like that you have taken Sv159 for its every trip of the day? If u have taken only one trip, pls do not make yourself look stupid by saying that there is no demand for certain sectors...

BusAnalayzer SG

this sound like that you have taken Sv159 for its every trip of the day? If u have taken only one trip, pls do not make yourself look stupid by saying that there is no demand for certain sectors...

I have keenly observed the loading, and many others have also... Read all the posts on 159 before commenting... If you have a better insight, post it... you don't need to act oversmart... and show how stupid you are ;)

SMB128B SG

As people say, the best people to speak is the experienced ones.

Keenly observed? I COMMUTE it.

I take it every weekend (and if needed, weekdays) to fetch my mother from TPY. I travel FULL route. And I obviously know the loading, since I experienced it at different times of day.

Frankly speaking AMK -TPY is under demand, but please spare a thought for long-haul passengers like me. We people depend 159 to get us to TPY at a time faster than any other alternatives to TPY from Sengkang. And demand at Hougang can get out of control most of the time too. Serving as the only way to get to the core to Sengkang Ctrl at HG Ave 9/ SGN North Ave 5/6, people tend to push their way into the tiny B10M/Citaros. Thus, given the worst conditions, by the time the bus reaches HG Ave 4 it will FLY STOP.

Also, take a look at TPY (not interchange) from 3pm onwards. Dying load as all the uncles and aunties board the bus. I can see that 1/3 of the people in the bus stop all swamp to the bus. This is to Sengkang btw.

One more. Take a look at the Sengkang side to TPY. Oh, all those people returning to HG. Don't know if it's coincidence or not, but I realised 4/5 of 159's buses are timed just nicely ahead of 161's buses. So what happens? The reason 161 still have load to HG during evening peak is because 159's tiny buses cannot fit in all the pax sometimes. During afternoon off peak if this happens, 161 won't have much load at all.

Get it? Don't only look at one part, look at others. You will know.

BusAnalayzer SG

As people say, the best people to speak is the experienced ones.

Keenly observed? I COMMUTE it.

I take it every weekend (and if needed, weekdays) to fetch my mother from TPY. I travel FULL route. And I obviously know the loading, since I experienced it at different times of day.

Get it? Don't only look at one part, look at others. You will know.

Now you are speaking my language :)

I know that the load between Sengkang and AMK is very heavy. That's why I am rooting for DD on this patch. I have witnessed 159 buses at Hougang Ave 9 have no place for people to enter anymore, and it is the only bus serving Serangoon Ave 6, but passengers cannot enter. In the evening, same thing happens at Seagate, when passengers cannot board the SD.

Hence, I feel there should be a 159M using DDs as a full day service and 159 can go to TPY with reduced frequency. Or have 159 return from TPY via CTE instead of Lor Chuan. Everytime I see 159 people just cramp into the bus. It really needs DDs.

By the way 163 is a good alternative from Sengkang to TPY as well, or just take 50/159 to AMK or Bishan and change into connecting bus. Isn't it quicker than taking 159 that does Ave 1, Lor Chuan, Bradell to reach TPY.

SMB128B SG

Now you are speaking my language :)

163 is NOT a good alt; horrid freq and long routes. Longer than 159. And as I said before, the uncles and aunties may not favour transferring to direct link.

What I think is that 159 should loop at TPY and not enter TPY Int. That way freq improve, trip faster and more space for TPY Int. I also support the idea of skipping Lor Chuan, as that part is real redundant (duplicating 105 and MRT), thus allowing DDs to ply the route.

159M IMHO is just waste of resources, road space and manpower (to manage that service) given the above is granted.

service_238 SG

163 is NOT a good alt; horrid freq and long routes. Longer than 159. And as I said before, the uncles and aunties may not favour transferring to direct link.

159M IMHO is just waste of resources, road space and manpower (to manage that service) given the above is granted.

it currently 'loops' at TPY, same as 163.

SMB128B SG

it currently 'loops' at TPY, same as 163.

But it enters the int, waste of time and adding up to int traffic. Should be re-routed to avoid int. Coz turning in and out of int takes time.

SBST163 SG

163 is NOT a good alt; horrid freq and long routes. Longer than 159. And as I said before, the uncles and aunties may not favour transferring to direct link.

159M IMHO is just waste of resources, road space and manpower (to manage that service) given the above is granted.

Actually 163's route is only maybe 5 minutes longer than 159. I always take 163 direct from Sengkang to TPY too. hah

And 163's frequency has improved alot already, what it needs to do is the frequency of non peak hours. The wait can be up to 25 mins which i think is ridiculous. During peak hours, you can easily board 163 within 10 minutes.

For 159, i guess it's more like a connecting bus rather than a direct. yup as what busanalyser has mentioned, 50 to AMK then take train to TPY is already a much faster alternative from sengkang as compared to 159 and 163.

SMB128B SG

Actually 163's route is only maybe 5 minutes longer than 159. I always take 163 direct from Sengkang to TPY too. hah

I asked my neighbours who go to TPY too. They will mostly prefer 159 to 163. Freq is still 159 win. Actually 163 can be fast too, but only during evening off-peak, when traffic at YCK Road reduces.

As I have repeated so frequently, uncles and aunties, such as my neighbour's grandmother, don't care about the length of 159 (as long as it's faster than 163) and they would rather a seat and a direct link bus. Thus taking 159 direct is what they would always do of course.

I think it's the other way round bah. People on 163 tend to be the short-haul ones. Not much will take from Sengkang Int to TPY. On the other hand, 159 had one-third or even sometimes half the bus going to TPY <---> Sengkang Int.

lemon1974 SG

pls lah.. you been observing the loading? seem like every service u go observe one trip and say must put DDs or what? like that call observation? based on you so called observation, you DID NOT even know that there are downroutes for Sv72 in the afternoon? have been looking at all your comments since you registered your account, you simply just whack whatever you like... only know how to propose to add DDs to this and that service.. but do not know the actual operation details at all...

lemon1974 SG

But it enters the int, waste of time and adding up to int traffic. Should be re-routed to avoid int. Coz turning in and out of int takes time.

reroute to where? dun turn into interchange, then turn left into PIE and then exit PIE and into Lor 6 again?

SMB128B SG

reroute to where? dun turn into interchange, then turn left into PIE and then exit PIE and into Lor 6 again?

Lor 6 ---> Lor 2 ---> TPY Ctrl ---> Lor 6.

Use Service 82 solution.

SMB128B SG

reroute to where? dun turn into interchange, then turn left into PIE and then exit PIE and into Lor 6 again?

--Duplicate--

lemon1974 SG

Lor 6 ---> Lor 2 ---> TPY Ctrl ---> Lor 6.

Use Service 82 solution.

wont make much different in the timing.. considering the traffic lights....

BusAnalayzer SG

Lor 6 ---> Lor 2 ---> TPY Ctrl ---> Lor 6.

Use Service 82 solution.

By doing so you are missing out on pax from TPY Interchange. I am sure someone would complain about that as well, as they would want a direct service from TPY Interchange to Sengkang Central and even if there is an alternate service like 163, they would want a shorter route.

BusAnalayzer SG

FYI - I don't post all loading experiences here. I travel everyday by bus, so don't whack... ;) and just chill.. chill... I don't post anything on WDL / Yishun / CCK services coz I don't have much experience and haven't observed much there. The ones that I know, I know!!

BusAnalayzer SG

I asked my neighbours who go to TPY too. They will mostly prefer 159 to 163. Freq is still 159 win. Actually 163 can be fast too, but only during evening off-peak, when traffic at YCK Road reduces.

I think it's the other way round bah. People on 163 tend to be the short-haul ones. Not much will take from Sengkang Int to TPY. On the other hand, 159 had one-third or even sometimes half the bus going to TPY <---> Sengkang Int.

With your this post, I have serious doubts on how many times you have travelled from Sengkang to TPY. My cousin lives at Buangkok and I have taken 159 several times. What you have mentioned is so untrue.

In the morning peak, the bus is already standing when I board at Buangkok Green, by Hougang Ave 9, people don't have place to enter. I have seen many times, people near Hougang 1 taking 72 behind and changing into 159 on AMK Ave 5 to AMK MRT. By the time, the bus reaches Nanyang, there are only 25 - 30 of the 70 - 75 pax at Seagate remaining.

At AMK MRT, at least 15-20 pax get down, and another 5 enter. The bus normally leaves AMK MRT with not more than 20 pax. I have even observed this in the afternoon timing. When at AMK MRT, when people get down there are not more than 10-15 pax (not counting pax who enter), how does it be one-third or half pax going direct from Sengkang to TPY. If at all, it would be just 1 or 2 pax - you and your grandmother's friend.

If you'll agree to spend 5 minutes more on 163 that has not-so-bad frequency as you claim, you will see that 159 route from AMK to TPY is quite useless and redundant and even time consuming.

SMB128B SG

If you'll agree to spend 5 minutes more on 163 that has not-so-bad frequency as you claim, you will see that 159 route from AMK to TPY is quite useless and redundant and even time consuming.

Ok... My Maths fail then... But u geddit.

And did u realise you were contradicting to your post above?

SMB128B SG

Then stop acting boss and think you know everything. I used to study in Woodlands, and I do know which services need bendies and which do not. I remember one of your posts about which SMRT svcs should get DDs and bendies, and you were kinda wrong about The Woodlands part. So u sure u nv post what u didn't actually see?

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