High loading bus routes (Top 5)

last SG · 2012-06-10T22:07:24+00:00

Swiss Cottage can use ADD??? If like this, 66 ought to have used ADD long ago..

BusAnalayzer SG

I saw SBS2637B on 65 for 2 consecutive days. Is this repeat cameo, or are we saying that 65 is no longer full fleet DD and has a SD introduced on it now?

I was expecting this to happen in 2017, not in 2012 for godsake!!!!!!

TIB1257C SG

195 should just skip C'wealth Dr and let 32 ply there, if 195 is transferred to SMRT(if only). SBS999U trial failed due to C'wealth Dr so 195 should just skip if it wants to have bendies.

Dont forget that SBST will gain some routes in Bukit Panjang due to DTL.
Same as when NEL opened, SMRT handed 865, 866 and 867 over to SBST.
Most likely 190 back to SBST and hope 195 go SMRT.

vicamour SG

Dont forget that SBST will gain some routes in Bukit Panjang due to DTL.
Same as when NEL opened, SMRT handed 865, 866 and 867 over to SBST.
Most likely 190 back to SBST and hope 195 go SMRT.

I don't think there will be a route transfer again like what it was in the past. It was deemed too messy.

And all the above mentioned services initially do not belong to SMRT/TIBS at all, including Sengkang services. They were all transferred to TIBS in the mid 90s for no apparent reason, which results in Northwest residents now have to suffer under the poor bus services of SMRTB. I do not want another SBST service to suffer the kind of same fate. And it makes it worse if SMRT takes over the service, as they can't even manage the current services well. It doesn't mean SMRT will also use bendy bus for the route, as the bus stops along the route are small and some roads like Commnwealth Ave are too narrow. The sharp turns will one day lead to a jack knife situation on the articulator.

195 should just skip C'wealth Dr and let 32 ply there, if 195 is transferred to SMRT(if only). SBS999U trial failed due to C'wealth Dr so 195 should just skip if it wants to have bendies.

If a bus route is to be rerouted for the sake of bendy buses and causing more inconvenience for commuters, then I will rather LTA to remove all bendy buses from all services immediately.

Bus services are there for the sake of commuters convenience of getting from one point to another point, not for the sake of catering certain types of buses.

BusAnalayzer SG

195's huge loading is mainly in two sectors:

Tiong Bahru Plaza to Telok Blangah Way (here you can see people getting cramped to get in - this is the main area where DD is useful)

Depot Road to Queenstown Station

TIB 501 D SG

195's huge loading is mainly in two sectors:

Tiong Bahru Plaza to Telok Blangah Way (here you can see people getting cramped to get in - this is the main area where DD is useful)

Depot Road to Queenstown Station

Don't forget the Telok Blangah Way and Depot Rd height restrictions.

BusAnalayzer SG

Don't forget the Telok Blangah Way and Depot Rd height restrictions.

I know. I am saying that it is the part where DDs are worthy for this route but cannot. The whole route doesn't have high loading.

TIB1218R SG

Dont forget that SBST will gain some routes in Bukit Panjang due to DTL.
Same as when NEL opened, SMRT handed 865, 866 and 867 over to SBST.
Most likely 190 back to SBST and hope 195 go SMRT.

Its 864, 865 and 866..

And its TIBS, not SMRT.

Those service were handed when SBS won NEL in 1999.
NEL opened in 2003.

TIB 501 D SG

The reason why I say 195 get transferred to SMRT and get bendies is because...

1. It can skip C'wealth Dr and terminate at Buona Vista Ter.

2. If you ammend it's route to ply Telok Blangah Rd straight to Alexandra Rd, the link between Queenstown MRT to Depot Rd and from there to Tiong Bahru will cut off, but it does provide a link from Tiong Bahru to Harbourfront without having to transfer from EWL to NEL.

But really, I also did say that 190 and 106 should be transferred to SBST, so I'm not a total SMRT fanboy. And many people are also complaning about 195's loading and headway. And 195 can't have DDs unless it ammends its route mentioned in point 2, but links will cut off, as I said.

vicamour SG

The reason why I say 195 get transferred to SMRT and get bendies is because...

1. It can skip C'wealth Dr and terminate at Buona Vista Ter.

195 whole route doesn't warrant the use of bendy buses, as I have said before, most part of the roads and bus stops it plies along is small and narrow. Bendy buses takes up too much space and hinders other buses and vehicles along these roads and bus stops. And only part of 195 route has very high demands.

And Buona Vista terminal is too small for bendy buses, so bendy buses are deemed useless for 195. There is no need to transfer to SMRT. Better if they take care of their own services, which many are still bad.

A better idea is to divert 275 from Bukit Merah to Tiong Bahru to Telok Blangah Way. Anyway, Telok Blangah WAy has no height restrictions.

Depot Road maybe has but it is up to LTA and NParks to work together to place the trees more away form the roads or plant bigger trees. If LTA bothers about further improving public transport in the first place.

sbst275 SG

how on earth can 32 replace 195?

Then Buona Vista’s bus park area cannot take in bendy bus… how to reverse?

SBS 3010C SG

In Boon Lay Int : 198,243W/G,242,241,240

BusAnalayzer SG

Actually 195 is not a big deal. The load is a bit unmanageable from Telok Blangah Way to Tiong Bahru Plaza.

The SD can take load in Depot Road and Alexandra Road. If you see the peak loading from Commonwealth Drive to Depot road, around 60 pax (which I agree is not convenient).

BusAnalayzer SG

In Boon Lay Int : 198,243W/G,242,241,240

Boon Lay Interchange has almost all routes that are high loading and seemingly this will just go on increasing considering in the coming years.

TIB 501 D SG

A better idea is to divert 275 from Bukit Merah to Tiong Bahru to Telok Blangah Way. Anyway, Telok Blangah WAy has no height restrictions.

I am very sure Telok Blangah Way has height restrictions. I've been there often and even observed how low those branches are. The most dangerous ones are the trees that are located just after the bus stops. I've compared it's height to a regular SD and concluded that DDs can't ply Telok Blangah Way at all. Same case for Henderson and Depot Rd, but not so jialat.

BusAnalayzer SG

Doesn't matter... Even if Telok Blangah way could accept DDs, the fact that both Bukit Purmei and Henderson road cannot use DDs, this road's height limitation is insignificant.

If Henderson road can ply DDs, it will be good, because then 145 can get DDs and then, there would be no need for 145A and long wait times during peak hours.

BusAnalayzer SG

We speak so much about 195, but I feel 145 is the route that really needs DDs given it has high loading in many areas on its route.

TIB 501 D SG

Doesn't matter... Even if Telok Blangah way could accept DDs, the fact that both Bukit Purmei and Henderson road cannot use DDs, this road's height limitation is insignificant.

If Henderson road can ply DDs, it will be good, because then 145 can get DDs and then, there would be no need for 145A and long wait times during peak hours.

Just to tell you, Bt Purmei Ave doesn't have height limitations and the u-turn should be wide enough for a DD to turn, correct me if I'm wrong.

If like that, look at how many height restrictions svc131 has.

Bt Purmei Ave(If it's true)

Telok Blangah Way

Henderson Rd

Pei Kio Estate

I dunno how to solve 131's problem...

BusAnalayzer SG

Just to tell you, Bt Purmei Ave doesn't have height limitations and the u-turn should be wide enough for a DD to turn, correct me if I'm wrong.

If like that, look at how many height restrictions svc131 has.

Bt Purmei Ave(If it's true)

Telok Blangah Way

Henderson Rd

Pei Kio Estate

I dunno how to solve 131's problem...

I wouldn't worry too much about 131 or even trying to solve its problems. Here are the reasons:

1. Too many height restrictions

2. Route 21 (50% fleet DD is parallel in route from Whompoa to Novena)

3. From Thomson / Novena, people coming to Little India or Bras Basah, would prefer to take 56, 57, 166 as they are direct while 131 has a big loop where it goes to estates on Rangoon Road / Castle Green. It operates more like a feeder here for Novena and Little India stations, and the loading is fit for a SD (I have analyzed this route 2-3 times during peak)

4. There is a 131A to Shenton Way to clear the crowds during morning peak 3-4 high loading trips

5. 131 has 145 in parallel from Keppel / Vivocity to Henderson Road.

So instead of trying to work around 131, I would prefer to work on 145 which has many high loading segments.

145 High Loading (Morning peak)

RedHill >>> Henderson Road

Henderson Road >>> CBD

Balestier Road >>> Toa Payoh

(Evening peak)

Henderson Road >>> Balestier Road (Full high loading stretch)

SBS 1000U SG

I wouldn't worry too much about 131 or even trying to solve its problems. Here are the reasons:

1. Too many height restrictions

2. Route 21 (50% fleet DD is parallel in route from Whompoa to Novena)

4. There is a 131A to Shenton Way to clear the crowds during morning peak 3-4 high loading trips

5. 131 has 145 in parallel from Keppel / Vivocity to Henderson Road.

So instead of trying to work around 131, I would prefer to work on 145 which has many high loading segments.

145 High Loading (Morning peak)

RedHill >>> Henderson Road

Henderson Road >>> CBD

Balestier Road >>> Toa Payoh

(Evening peak)

Henderson Road >>> Balestier Road (Full high loading stretch)

They need to do something about the trees along Henderson road, that's all.

Then 145 can use DDs.

TIB 501 D SG

They need to do something about the trees along Henderson road, that's all.

Then 145 can use DDs.

Yup, but someone mentioned that those rain trees along Depot Rd, Telok Blangah Way and mainly Henderson Rd are conserved trees, so I think NEA won't suka suka trim them down. Someone has to go email NEA if they want to trim them or locate them further from the roads, or just plant bigger trees instead of those rain trees with low and long hanging branches.

However, if you trim them, the centre of gravity shifts to the middle part, and a strong wind might even blow them down. That's what I think.

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