Why Singapore need DDs & why it's impractical to use bendies

last SG · 2012-07-14T10:57:06+00:00

DDs are suitable for express and long distance svcs..

TIB1218R SG

A lot of places with height restriction also

Services which do not have DDs,

3, 11, 15, 16, 18, 24, 26, 27, 29, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 38, 39, 40, 42, 48, 53, 57, 63, 66, 73, 82, 83, 84, 85, 92, 94, 100, 101, 103, 105, 123, 124, 125, 128, 130, 131, 135, 138, 142, 145, 155, 156, 158, 159, 160, 162, 170, 175, 191, 194, 195, 200, 226, 228, 231, 232, 235, 238, 261, 262, 265, 268, 269, 272, 273, 275, 282, 284, 292, 293, 315, 317, 325, 333, 335, 354, 358, 359, 372, 400, 401, 402, 403, 405, 410

226 withdrawn already, merged with 385 to form 60, forcing people to pay more

No_10_Tomas SG

I find something puzzling

Bendies were first deployed in 1996

From 1996-1997, there were 57 bendies Mk 1 deployed.

In 1999, came 29 bendies Mk 2

From 2000 onwards, 229 habits/volgrens were rolled out.

Throughout a spell of 4 years from 1996 to 2000, the 86 or so bendies must have fetched a favourable response from the public in order for LTA to approve the further procurement of 229 more bendies in 2000!!!

If bendies were really that detestful, why didn't the public vehemently oppose it from 1996 to 2000?

SMB228X SG

I find something puzzling

Bendies were first deployed in 1996

From 1996-1997, there were 57 bendies Mk 1 deployed.

In 1999, came 29 bendies Mk 2

From 2000 onwards, 229 habits/volgrens were rolled out.

If bendies were really that detestful, why didn't the public vehemently oppose it from 1996 to 2000?

Maybe because SMRT buy over TIBS??? But public still like bendy!! Is only a few hardcore bendy haters complain like shit to LTA!!!

If SMRT buy Citaro Gs public will be more happy about bendies and want even more!!

SBS9C SG

Maybe because SMRT buy over TIBS??? But public still like bendy!! Is only a few hardcore bendy haters complain like shit to LTA!!!

If SMRT buy Citaro Gs public will be more happy about bendies and want even more!!

I think the current amount of bendies is enough or even more than enough already. Wait till the MK1 bendies retire first then I will hope to see the either the Volvo 7900 Artic, MB Citaro G, MAN Lion City G or Scania OmniLink Bendy.

sbst275 SG

I find something puzzling

Bendies were first deployed in 1996

From 1996-1997, there were 57 bendies Mk 1 deployed.

In 1999, came 29 bendies Mk 2

From 2000 onwards, 229 habits/volgrens were rolled out.

If bendies were really that detestful, why didn't the public vehemently oppose it from 1996 to 2000?

Those days traffic was fewer, bus & MRT ridership not as high as today... problem isn't that bad...

but now came integrated public tpt hub, came w/ higher bus ridership, more vehicles on the road...

so....

sbst275 SG

I think someone here is not happy because integrated public tpt hub design has decided not to fit in the bendy buses..

BusAnalayzer SG

Even with this objective view, I would think there would still be a need for bendy buses. Especially for feeder/intratown/townlink and short inter-town routes, these kind of buses are more useful than double deckers. Why? Over a shorter distance, who would be willing to move up and down stairs of a bus? A bendy bus would be more practical, due to the accessibility to more doors. Also useful for high-loading services which may be unable to use doubledecks due to height restrictions.

Double-decks on the other hand should be used for the longer-distance routes, as there would be a higher chance of people staying onboard for a longer ride.

But of course, even with the bendy bus being only a memory soon, it would be nice to see more come in.. Only a dream.. Soon, we shall be like London..

It is not true that people don't want to move to the upper deck. It applies only if it is 2 stops or so. Look at 291, 334 DDs are so well utilized with people moving to the upper deck. I have noticed a problem with 132 where people cramp onto the lower deck from Henderson road to Redhill. But on most routes, the upper deck is well utilized and if standing was allowed, people would have stood on upper deck, too.

vicamour SG

I find something puzzling

Bendies were first deployed in 1996

From 1996-1997, there were 57 bendies Mk 1 deployed.

In 1999, came 29 bendies Mk 2

From 2000 onwards, 229 habits/volgrens were rolled out.

If bendies were really that detestful, why didn't the public vehemently oppose it from 1996 to 2000?

You said it 1996 to 2000. Population back then isn't even 4 million. 1996 was about 3.2 million. Now we have already 5 million and will increase further in years to come.

You think they are still practical now? You only see the picture of 4 years but you never see the picture of 12 years after that. Many complains of high accident rates, burn down rates, taking up too much space in bus interchanges, bus stops and bus lanes and delaying the schedules of other buses, parking woes in depots surfacing for the past 12 years.

Things look new and good in the early days but the real problems will only come in many years after. Everyone like new things but once these things give a lot of real problems after that, you will see that it is just a fad or became another history up in the books.

TIB1218R SG

Too bad TIBS already bring in bendies..

SBS2601D SG

back in 1996, bendies were the novelty.

I still remember its first appearence on 911. It was fun.

Until I saw a 913 BC who thought he was driving 911 and made the left turn after the 1st stop after leaving WRI.

He tried to do a 3 point turn at the carpark and that led to a HUGE traffic jam.

Isolated incident it is...but I have little doubt that a SD or DD would have taken far less time.

sbst275 SG

but Tibs did lots of disasterous decision as come to think of it..

1) bendy bus

2) EDS number formatting as though we're left hand drive.

3) Buses that can't carry much standee, and ppl hard to move about along e aisle.. That's why the MAN bus problem.

4) Colourful fleet: now maintenance got taiji.. End up CRL placed on higher demand svs bla bla bla..

TIB1218R SG

but Tibs did lots of disasterous decision as come to think of it..

1) bendy bus

2) EDS number formatting as though we're left hand drive.

3) Buses that can't carry much standee, and ppl hard to move about along e aisle.. That's why the MAN bus problem.

4) Colourful fleet: now maintenance got taiji.. End up CRL placed on higher demand svs bla bla bla..

TIBS remove its seats for standee for MBO405 and DAFs..

Citaro also same as MAN what..

TIB433S SG

My main point is that with double decks for such short-haul routes, I would feel that the time taken at bus stops would also be longer, as people would have to only rely on one main exit door of the bus, unlike a bendy bus which has two.

Double-decks are well-utilised for the trunk services, I have no qualms about them. Why, if SMRT would be willing to use them for routes such as 75, 190, 700, 965, 966 or 969, I would welcome it.

But I would assume feeders would do better as people tend to travel shorter distances, but carry slightly more passengers than a 12m rigid.

I think... the reason why many people are against the bendy buses is because of SMRT's crap management.. that has tarnished the reputation of the bendy bus.

SBS2601D SG

Not to mention chap-par-lang fleet.

Hodge-podge fleet makes for manteinance nightmare.......

And TIBS had little standardisation.

Anybody recalls the cute blue desto for the Lance?

And I dont know which smart guy chose the cloth seats for the TIBS buses.....after a while the buses all stank to the high heavens!

TIB1218R SG

I think... the reason why many people are against the bendy buses is because of SMRT's crap management.. that has tarnished the reputation of the bendy bus.

Yeah. If SBST bought bendies, confirm they will say that its good..

SBS2601D SG

Yeah. If SBST bought bendies, confirm they will say that its good..

My one regret was that I kept putting off taking the B10MA.....and then it got sold.

sbst275 SG

not surprising

Tibs founder now NTUC Fairprice's Chair....

Now open hypermart at Changi Business Park... lol

SBS2601D SG

There are plenty of rumours abound about "creative accounting" with regards to TIBS.

Shan't say more.

But it does say something when SMRT acknowledged continued losses with SMRTB.

TIBS was clearly not raking in plenty of dough.

No_10_Tomas SG

modern buses will come with lesser seats

With the emphasize now towards the concept of hub-and-spoke and bus-to-train intermodal transfer, the average travelling time has reduced as compared to the 1970s and early 1980s before MRT train was introduced

Most of the bus journeys undertook by the passengers normally won't exceed 30 minutes

Gone were the days when passengers need to spend well over an entire hour on their buses to travel from one estate to another estate in singapore

In singapore context, if passengers were to choose between comfort and punctuality, i believe they will opt for punctuality..they just want the bus to arrive quickly and fetch them to the train stations in the shortest time possible

sitting is no longer a neccessity for short-distanced journey, especially when the distance-based fare computation is already in place, many smart bus experts who are well-versed with every bus route know how to make multiple transfer from their origin to destination

i wonder if the 2-by-1 front facing seating configuration is still necessary, in fact i'm advocating a 1-by-1 single seat arrangement to free up more standing space, or all sideway seating configuration just like MRT

SBS2601D SG

not surprising

Tibs founder now NTUC Fairprice's Chair....

Now open hypermart at Changi Business Park... lol

You should go shopping at that hypermart....I've been there. Awesome huge place.

Not to mention plenty of shoes to look at, at the new shopping centre.

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