800 new buses & 40 new bus routes (8 to ply MRT) by 2016

last SG · 2012-02-18T10:36:51+00:00

I guess many problems arose later when Tibs mgmt may not have forseen..New bus stops: The 3rd door would be entirely exposed to the rain.Integrated hubs: The...

watson374 SG

VO3X and LO replace by Scania K310UD or Volvo B5L. Volvo B7RLE I want MCV Evolution like what KMB have.

OK not too bad la ._. I still prefer Soon Chow and Volgren tho

SBS5010P SG

i want citaros with sliding doors =D
if citaros got dd hor it’s ftw.

watson374 SG

I don't think Citaros are DD-able - that last Merc chassis that was DD-able was the O305, and we all know how long ago that was.

Unless you add an axle.

C151 039/040 SG

I will feedback to SMRT sooner, to stop buying bendies as the MAN anyhow procure artic order, should have bought 200 Wrightbus.

The feedback is -

“As such during the Budget 2012 statement, SMRT Corporation thought they are buying 100 MAN NG363F (A24) as it undergoes bodywork installation by ST Kinetics in order to replace the box Hispano bendies. They should have bought 100 Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 (Volvo B9TL) 3-axle, 100 Scania OmniCity double deck and 200 Alexander Dennis Enviro500 (with new styling for 2012 and beyond). They cannot be able to have and buy bendies anymore due to safety criticisms and all that, bus interchanges will turn smaller, removal of bendy bus lots and take up more space. Put DD on 61, 67, 77, 106, 169, 172, 176, 180, 184, 187, 188, 189, 190, 300, 307, 800, 804, 806, 811, 812, 851, 852, 853, 856, 859, 902, 920, 922, 960, 963 and 966.

Lifespans for all rigids should be able to extend to 19 years, those bendies should go off early by at least 2015 to prevent fires and all that road layout problems. And anyway, for the future bus orders – 800, please buy 50 more Citaros to add in for 2012, 150 more MAN NL323F (Gemiliang) to add in for 2013 and please buy new range of order: Alexander Dennis Enviro300 for replacing Dennis Lance 245 (all) and DAF SB220 (all). Hino HS3KRK and Mercedes-Benz O405 Volgren should be replaced by MAN Lion City and some Mercedes-Benz O405 CAC, Scania L113CRL should be replaced by Scania OmniCity Single Deck and Volvo B7RLE/MCV Evolution.

Fleet management is lousy and screwed. It also end up wrong bus like CRL on heavy loaded 963, it should not have cameoed on 963 and must use MAN NL323F. CRL must go to 77 and 189 as it is low demand services.

And there is a new depot, what are the general use of Geylang Bus Park? To park 106, 961 and all that? Is it refuelling point for service 61 but not 969?”

Gus.chong SG

I will feedback to SMRT sooner, to stop buying bendies as the MAN anyhow procure artic order, should have bought 200 Wrightbus.

I believe SMRT will not reply to you like what SMB128B had done before.

Acx1688 SG

Some wishful thinkin of bus fans to replace existing buses with newer types on the market forgetting the cost of purchase.
Totally ignorant of fees/spare parts/maintenance costs
With all the complaints of MB Citaro's capacity, there are still dreamer bus fans wishing for the impossible

ACx

SBS 1000U SG

Logically speaking, I think we’ll see lots of MANs since ST Kinectics is the sole distributor of MAN trucks and buses and since the government is responsible for purchasing 550 of them. Does anyone know how many new buses we can expect to see including the fleet expansions and fleet replacements for the ageing MK4s and VO3X?

If all the 550 new buses from govt are going to be from MAN, then I hope this happens.

SBST

- 200 MAN LionCity or A22 with MCV Evolution body

- 150 MAN double deckers

SMRT

- 100 MAN A22 with current Gemilang body

- 100 MAN double deckers

The rest of the 250 buses

SBST

- 150 Mercedes Benz Citaro 3

SMRT

- 100 Scania K270UB with Gemilang body

- 50 MAN double deckers

C151 039/040 SG

If all the 550 new buses from govt are going to be from MAN, then I hope this happens.

SBST

- 200 MAN LionCity or A22 with MCV Evolution body

- 150 MAN double deckers

SMRT

- 100 MAN A22 with current Gemilang body

- 100 MAN double deckers

The rest of the 250 buses

SBST

- 150 Mercedes Benz Citaro 3

SMRT

- 100 Scania K270UB with Gemilang body

- 50 MAN double deckers

I'm the mega SMRT loy...... all feedbacks are well done to SMRT. What's next? Fool around with SBST with no SOP for feedbacking? The feedback is due to poor design of buses. Wish that we should resolve the problems faster......

C151 039/040 SG

SMRT should have -
100x Enviro500 (New design)
200x Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 3-axle
100x Scania OmniCity DD

SBST should have ordered as special bulk orders -
35x Enviro200Dart
100x Enviro400
20x Enviro400H
200x Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 2-axle

As it is 800 buses totally (755 / 800 had been well done).

SBS 1000U SG

SMRT should have -
100x Enviro500 (New design)
200x Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 3-axle
100x Scania OmniCity DD

SBST should have ordered as special bulk orders -
35x Enviro200Dart
100x Enviro400
20x Enviro400H
200x Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 2-axle

As it is 800 buses totally (755 / 800 had been well done).

No need Darts already. Midi buses are not useful in Singapore now.

SBST needs more buses and new buses.

Maybe your list should be:

SBST

200 Enviro 500

100 Enviro 400H / Volvo B5L

150 Mercedes Benz Citaro 3

100 Enviro 500 bodied Volvo B9TL

SMRT

100 Enviro 500

100 Scania OminiCity

50 MAN A22

Superbus SG

ST Kinetics now a bodybuilder? /facepalm

SBS9252G SG

To the purchasing of buses, it's only the companies can decide what buses are they buying no point posting here SBST or SMRT should buy or could buy which buses...

Gus.chong SG

If all the 550 new buses from govt are going to be from MAN, then I hope this happens.

SBST

- 200 MAN LionCity or A22 with MCV Evolution body

- 150 MAN double deckers

SMRT

- 100 MAN A22 with current Gemilang body

- 100 MAN double deckers

The rest of the 250 buses

SBST

- 150 Mercedes Benz Citaro 3

SMRT

- 100 Scania K270UB with Gemilang body

- 50 MAN double deckers

I hope this will be the new fleet for SMRT and SBST:

SBST:
- 100 Volvo B5Ls (Wright Eclipse Gemini 2)
- 150 Scania K310UDs (Gemilang or Salvador Caetano)
- 150 Volvo B7RLEs (MCV Evolution)

SMRT:
- 200 Mercedes-Benz Citaros (EvoBus GmbH)
- 100 Mercedes-Benz Citaro Gs (EvoBus GmbH)
- 50 MAN NG313
- 50 MAN NG363F

Merczrox SG

Very well said bro!!All suka suka want Volvo B5L/Alexander E200 and all the other buses that the bus companies here might nvr even buy..Still can dream of all this impossibles.

SBS 9631X SG

Thus it makes more economical and operative sense for SMRTB to buy double deckers instead of more of those bendy buses. The new interchanges are getting smaller but bus companies are going to expand their fleet, makes no sense for getting bendy buses to add more woes in parking spaces in interchanges and bus depots. Moreover there aren't many routes with height restriction nowadays. Even so, bus operators will prefer to deploy more single deckers to improve the freqencies instead. The only advantage is faster alighting with the additional door, but with the poor maintanance of SMRTB, many EZlink card readers don't work at the 3 door and people love to cramp around the front trailer area which instead defeats the purpose yet waste more road space. Lastly, newest QC standards demands better frequncies for all feeder services. Thus it means more buses for the feeder service. It has already make no sense to use bendy buses in future. Thus I hope SMRTB will wise up this time to switch to using double deckers from now on, to optimise their economical and operative sense in operating their bus business. Or else just like someone mentioned earlier on, if they continue to neglect their bus business, then might as well give it up.

To add on to your point (which I fully agree with), the advantage of lesser board/alighting time at bus stops is only in theory. In practice, it is often not so given how lazy most bus passengers are to walk all the way.

I mean, look man, the distance is even longer than walking to the end of a 12m DD. And given how people love to cramp at the front of DDs and not move in, what makes us think that pax on Bendies will move in?

In fact, i've noticed that for the Bendies on my side (i'm not sure about the rest), the SLs take much longer at the bus stops because they had to continually check if all alighting pax have gotten off, and if pax has moved in, then check again if all 3 sets of doors have closed properly. So the alighting time part is only in theory lah.

sbst275 SG

somemore we've CBD bus stops located right at traffic junction area...

use bendy...

I guess the Air Show bus ops today also should address why no to bendies le

SBS 9631X SG

Yeah. Most of SMRTB's woes lie with TIBS's acquisitions.

TIBS had a hodge-podge fleet with a huge bendy fleet. Quite a nightmare as far as mainteinance and day-to-day operations is concerned. There too, have been insider stories of how TIBS had been bleeding and the use of accounting tools to transfer losses, but of course that's not verified, but I wouldn't be surprised at that.

SMRT could on the other hand, have taken a decisive step in eliminating these little pockets of here-there-everywhere types. They didn't. And understandably too, given how replacing them would be extremely expensive and hit profit figures. It took many years before SMRT made the OC500 acquisition, during which time, the DAF, Hino, Dennis, Merc, Nissan, Scania (just look at how many types already!) languished.

So whose fault? I am inclined to blame the government although I would think that hindsight is always 6/6 and the government in fairness, has recognised the need to incentivise upcoming bus purchases, although it still remains perplexing that the $1.1b would be a "one-off" exercise.

Yeah, i do have to say that SMRT has been quite concerned (when i mean quite, it is actually VERY concerned) with their increase in profits margins yearly under the previous Ms Saw.

And I don't think SMRT saw it as a liability that time when they took over since the Bendies were only like a few years old back then? Still very much roadworthy in turnover value. Probably that's why they didn't bother cutting off their Bendies and going after DDs instead.

But in the near future, sooner or later the Govt would advise them to use DDs. It's not just with regards to the length of bus stops and the road space, even at Interchanges and Depots, they still take up much more space. I mean, if you give the same plot of land to SBST & SMRT, SBST would be able to fit more buses since all their buses are standard 12m (except 997A), regardless SD or DD. SMRT has like some buses at 12m, the other Bendies at near 18m, how to squeeze all of them in?
The extra 6m per Bendy in parking can add up to another equal plot of land already lor if they have like hundreds of Bendies in the same depot.

Even when drawing parking lots at Interchanges also mafan. When you can fit in like 6 12m buses nose-to-tail, you can only fit in 4 18m Bendies in return. For Interchanges such as Yishun & Woodlands, if they were to use DDs, lots more buses can park in those places. Won't even have the parking crunch at the SMRT depots already.

SBS 1000U SG

I hope this will be the new fleet for SMRT and SBST:

I rather have the 100 B5Ls to be Mercedes-Benz Citaro 3 for SBST, unless there is a 3 axles version of the B5L. 100 Scania K310UDs will do. Another 50 for E500 bodied Volvo B9TL

For SMRT, most likely there will be more MAN bus since SMRT is switching to MAN.

So.

- 50 Mercedes-Benz Citaros (EvoBus GmbH)
- 100 MAN A22
- 150 MAN Double Deckers

Yeah, i do have to say that SMRT has been quite concerned (when i mean quite, it is actually VERY concerned) with their increase in profits margins yearly under the previous Ms Saw.

Fully agreed.

Talking about SBS997A, it think this year is its last year. Don't know will there be extensions given to it.

SBS2601D SG

As for those who still harbour wishful thinking for 14.5m buses, just check out 997A's special "parking lot" at HGDEP.

It was the same story with 998Y and 999U with their special "parking lots" at Tampines.

SBS 1000U SG

As for those who still harbour wishful thinking for 14.5m buses, just check out 997A's special parking lot at HGDEP (the side of the parking lots).

I heard that back in the 1990s, when SBS trial the bus and if the trial is successful, they will convert all their single deckers to 14.5m buses, but it will be better if there is a 3rd door behind.

Moreover SBS had thought of bringing in the bi-articulated buses if the trial for SBS998Y back in 1996 is successful.

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