Why do buses have to be 12m?

last SG · 2011-01-15T13:06:52+00:00

a Mercedes-Benz Citaro O 530 L is just good for smrta 15m will not be as flexible as a bendy.If the 15m is good for the roads here, why hasent sbs, sbst, tib...

dan474 SG

If you are saying about replacements for Darts and fleet addition for unpopular service; http://www.wright-bus.com/streetlite/

sbst275 SG

If you are saying about replacements for Darts and fleet addition for unpopular service; http://www.wright-bus.com/streetlite/

length of DF option min is 10.2m

Dart Enviro 200 might still be a better option

vicamour SG

before citing examples with the VO2x, dennis dart and bendys, i'm referring to the majority.

hong kong has many models which are 10.6, 10.3 or even 10.1m because of some bendy roads especially on hong kong island. nevertheless i think they are well suited for service.

rather than having 12m as the smallest bus available, i would rather see higher frequencies made with shorter buses. a good example is the enviro 400 recently introduced in hong kong.

just an idea. anyone who knows more details, or comments on the feasibility?

As long as cost and efficiency is concerned to cater the increasing needs to serve the unnecessary population increase here, you can really say goodbye to all the short buses. Even service 42 is using B10Ms now.

It's not like last time where we still have around 10m Albion Vikings, and standard 12m ones. All these have became history since the 1990s.

Nthnjeter860 SG

They probably use them for the amount of passengers getting on that route. Crowded 10m's or 11m's might be suitable for 12m buses. Most Likely Volvo Olympians or Super Olympians...

^tamago^ SG

Depots, parking lots, roads design, they're all customised for 12-metre buses already.

Kaise SG

bus too long oso complain

SBS8214Z SG

why in the past sbst only bought 10m DDs? im referringg to those LAs and LO2x

i think there weren't such thing as 12m DD in the past. :) or if there is.... MCW Super Metrobus.

SBS8214Z SG

I think variety of length and height would be the best. It would be a better mix so that they can run on routes that have different demands. In HK almost all the routes can run double-decker buses, even sv51 which runs to the highest point of HK(Tai Mo Shan/Route TWISK) which a vehicle can pass through used double-deckers(MCW Metrobus 9.7m M81-M88). 64K passed through Lam Kam Road(one-lane dual-carriageway) and used 10.6m Dennis Tridents, restriction of this route is the length problem, nothing longer than 10.6m. Service 211 runs second-hand Dennis Darts from NWFB with 1 DM Dennis Dart all along, and have received some Enviro500 cameos.

If length and height of bus cannot help, frequency is the next best.

Wishlist:
ADL Enviro400, 500
DesignLine Olymbus :) -> It is an electric bus developed by DesignLine. nearest would be Park Island. :)

SBS 1000U SG

What if....

I only mean what if.

vicamour SG

If length and height of bus cannot help, frequency is the next best.

Wishlist:
ADL Enviro400, 500
DesignLine Olymbus :) -> It is an electric bus developed by DesignLine. nearest would be Park Island. :)

That is Hong Kong.

In Singapore context, it is completely different. Non standardisation means higher operating costs, which means lesser profits for the operators, and this means that the shareholders' interests, i.e, their shareholders payouts, will be affected. And we all know who are these shareholders, directly or indirectly.

If I can get a standardised fleet that can accompolish the same job of the non standardised fleet but at a lower operating cost, why should I take the trouble to spend more money for different maintance costs for different batches of different buses? Cost increases means higher fares for commuters. Won't it translate more complains and backlashes in future?

Bus companies in Singapore operates at their expense of earning more profits for their "shareholders", not fulfilling the whims and fancies of the bus fan community.

AEW5001 SG

That is Hong Kong.

Bus companies in Singapore operates at their expense of earning more profits for their "shareholders", not fulfilling the whims and fancies of the bus fan community.

in fact, notice all of sbst new buses from cdge onwards use alcoa rims alr.

vicamour SG

in fact, notice all of sbst new buses from cdge onwards use alcoa rims alr.

Think they should have a long term contract with ALOCA already. But ALOCA rims makes the buses look modern, lighter and easy to clean compared to conventional ones. And also easy for the mechanics to choose the same rims for all buses to avoid weird combinations, like LO2xes rimes on Mercedes Benz O405s and MAN 16.240 demo, Mercedes Benz OF1417 rims on Leyand Atlanteans, etc.

But the MAN 18.240 HOCL demo still uses the stock rims and I believe the coming Citaros are also using the stock rims as well. Unless SBST decides to use those ALOCA rims that are similar to the Citaro F Cell.

Glencsoh SG

What if....

I only mean what if.

u go take out 1 wheel from the wrights

Glencsoh SG

3 doorS!!!!???

vicamour SG

3 doorS!!!!???

That's the European model and it is LHD version. The picture is just an illustration to show the ALOCA rims on this Citaro.

SBS Transit Citaros should only have 2 doors.

SBS9622Y SG

3 doorS!!!!???

Have you seen bendy before.

SBS 1000U SG

u go take out 1 wheel from the wrights

Not just that, I've "shorten" it as well.

Glencsoh SG

Have you seen bendy before.

But this not bendy

Glencsoh SG

Not just that, I've "shorten" it as well.

nice editing skills

sbst275 SG

That is Hong Kong.

Bus companies in Singapore operates at their expense of earning more profits for their "shareholders", not fulfilling the whims and fancies of the bus fan community.

wat goes around comes around.

I'd rather standardised to midi, 2x ADD (10.4m), 3x ADD (12m) & SD.

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