Launch of SMRT Service 188R with effect from 01 May 2010

SmRtFrEaks SG

oh ... just another express bus... gosh..y no concession allowed...

SBS5200H SG

oh ... just another express bus... gosh..y no concession allowed...

Its an express svc. wad u expect?

SBS7382C SG

wonder why SMRT has all these RWS services when SBST doesnt have a single one...it would be nice to have sth for the east....

service_238 SG

wonder why SMRT has all these RWS services when SBST doesnt have a single one...it would be nice to have sth for the east....

You may wish to consider the profitability of services under the casino branding.

vicamour SG

wonder why SMRT has all these RWS services when SBST doesnt have a single one...it would be nice to have sth for the east....

What's the point when the primary resources are allocated to better serve the public bus commuters instead? All these services are secondary. SBST can introduce such services if they have more than enough resources in future.

Better as compared to giving crap buses that are tearing apart because of constant poor maintanance and supposed to be scrapped long ago old UDs and not road worthy ELBOs for public basic services, and divert the new buses to secondary bus services instead. Worse, they don't even bother to buy a few more new buses to replace these old buses. Such irresponsible company just don't know how to priortise what is their primary purpose of operations.

^tamago^ SG

wonder why SMRT has all these RWS services when SBST doesnt have a single one...it would be nice to have sth for the east....

because they are free to run bus services, basic or not, according to demand on non-working-day weekends, and this usually results in a smaller scheduled fleet than the holding fleet.

thus, assuming there are enough buses to go around on a weekend, any decision to run these special services on weekends is considered solely on the basis of cost and revenue, i.e. profitability. the only upfront cost to SMRT is salary and fuel, since the bus will be "sleeping" inside the depot anyway if there were no such services.

off_service SG

If I'm not wrong these are part of the plans for RWS package.

On the contrary, I support what SMRT is doing now. Instead of buying small amounts of buses now, they hold on for another year or two and probably mass replace the outgoing O405s, Scanias and DAFs. They might get a better deal with a bulk purchase.

vicamour SG

If I'm not wrong these are part of the plans for RWS package.

Stretching resources and their profits and compromising standards of services constantly to the lowest is really an irresponsible and unwise thing to account for public commuters who pay the company everyday for their services.

Not just buying new buses, they couldn't even bother to squeeze another dollar to better maintain their current fleet. And I see nothing wrong with buying small amount of buses to improve service standards, just like what SBS did for the 20 Tridents and 12 B10BLE CNGs, and TIBS for their 2 Volgren Lances. The bottomline they care is still their own pockets.

off_service SG

They have more than enough buses to go around during weekends. They are stretching resources only if they operate the RWS (except RWS8) and the R services on weekdays as well. Like what tamago said in the previous post, why not let the buses run for revenue when they are most likely "sleeping" in depot?

The TIBS Volgren Lance are part of the order, just that they are bodied differently.

I seriously wonder how high is your expected quality of service. Frankly speaking, it's not as if SBS Transit has no flaws. Don't bother telling me any other excuses which I won't buy because your replies are always whining about SMRT. Quite expected from your replies, your basis of complaints are always the same old thing which most people has come to live with or possibly found other alternatives. ELBOs are seriously quite nice to ride in.

I hardly see people who lived in SMRT areas complain about the services like some fellow forum users do. Poor understanding of how SMRT operates? Or just a way to pick at SMRT? Up to you guys to decide.

BusSpeeder SG

Better as compared to giving crap buses that are tearing apart because of constant poor maintanance and supposed to be scrapped long ago old UDs and not road worthy ELBOs for public basic services, and divert the new buses to secondary bus services instead. Worse, they don't even bother to buy a few more new buses to replace these old buses. Such irresponsible company just don't know how to priortise what is their primary purpose of operations.

right. why not you go and plan how these primary resources should be allocated in your own context? and in bold. how many times do you need to be reminded of the first post you have made in the bus forum? you said a bus company should not be judged by their standards. and now you are judging the company based on the buses they are used.

And I am even more surprised and pissed that you people here can judge a bus company based on the type of buses they buy, and not the level of service they should and had provided. This shows the level of understanding of bus operations and commuters' needs here. Pardon me for being straightforward, but some of you people judgments here is downright silly and childish. It shows that you people don't know what are public bus service for basically.

even if the buses are already quite "old", they're still serviceable.

SBS7485P SG

lets all not go off topic (:

i hope to see 1H, 905Y, DAFs or Hinos on 188R in Sentosa. Haha. same for Scanias on 963R.

SBS2601D SG

The TIBS Volgren Lance are part of the order, just that they are bodied differently.

I don't see how excusable is that kind of justifcation when STOMP came up with a pic of a hole in a bendy.

There's only so much rent-seeking can take you. Seriously SMRT has exhibited more of that than SBST. You can't deny that.

vicamour SG

The TIBS Volgren Lance are part of the order, just that they are bodied differently.

SBST has its flaws, mainly slow buses, and that is the main and only flaw in their system. If I want to compare SBST with Hong Kong buses, they are still way behind.

No complains about SMRT? I just overheard two commuters on 851 complaining about 855 a few days back. When I took 961 just now, people are already complaining about frequencies. Look at the number of complains regarding about SMRTB in sites like STOMP, all these are more than enough to convince. And most of my friends living in the North and Northwest are so fed up with the bus services in their estates recently. Some wished that they can just drive to void all these stupid frustrations if they can afford one.

Only the people here have no complains about them just because their buses are faster. Yes, that is their sole and only good point.

off_service SG

I don't see how excusable is that kind of justifcation when STOMP came up with a pic of a hole in a bendy.

There's only so much rent-seeking can take you. Seriously SMRT has exhibited more of that than SBST. You can't deny that.

I don't deny that. However, what I was pinpointing at is what user vicamour has mentioned. He always used services with poor frequencies which are well known universally (like 61, 961) and old buses like UDs or ELBOs as a basis to rant at SMRT.

Like I said, both companies has flaw. Seems like many people has forgotten how the KUBs got complaint due to the steps and the jerkings. So, if that's the case, who are we to blame?

Sometimes we have to remember that the companies have over 3000 buses in total to maintain. It's not easy to have all buses in 100% conditions all the time. However, I also do not see the need to condemn a bus company just because it got stomped or use older buses? If so, many of us would have also condemned the KUBs already, right?

off_service SG

SBST has its flaws, mainly slow buses, and that is the main and only flaw in their system. If I want to compare SBST with Hong Kong buses, they are still way behind.

Only the people here have no complains about them just because their buses are faster. Yes, that is their sole and only good point.

Show me the line which I say SMRT has no flaws.

Thanks for making me the unique North dweller who is not-so-fed up with their services yet.

SBS2601D SG

Like I said, both companies has flaw. Seems like many people has forgotten how the KUBs got complaint due to the steps and the jerkings. So, if that's the case, who are we to blame?

For a company that has roughly half the number of buses as the largest incumbent, SMRT has been in the limelight too often IMO, and that's rather telling.

And they really should clean up the 0405Gs and not wait for some major refurbishment to clear the cobwebs. Heck, even the VO2X which should be dirtier since its NAC and is of comparable age with older SMRT buses is cleaner.

The hole was a shocker though....I admit, I was quite stunned to see that.

BusSpeeder SG

I don't see how excusable is that kind of justifcation when STOMP came up with a pic of a hole in a bendy.

There's only so much rent-seeking can take you. Seriously SMRT has exhibited more of that than SBST. You can't deny that.

someone posted here quite some time back where the floorboard cover was seen missing from a DD. explain that. if someone were to not see and step on gap that is not covered up by the floorboard cover, what do you think will happen? such incidents won't happen if maintenance standards are strict. both companies have yet to reach that standard but may improve or not gradually depending on time.

vicamour SG

Has it occured that a bendy on service 190 has missing floor board too many months back? And how about a dislodged exhaust pipe from a bendy in the same service as well weeks later? Do I see all these so often during TIBS era and SBST now?

Singapore bus companies simply show no pride in their fleet, unlike what is so different in Hong Kong.

BusSpeeder SG

SBST has its flaws, mainly slow buses, and that is the main and only flaw in their system. If I want to compare SBST with Hong Kong buses, they are still way behind.

Only the people here have no complains about them just because their buses are faster. Yes, that is their sole and only good point.

what other examples regarding bad frequencies can you give besides 961? please bother to know that the roads that 961 plies are badly jammed up during peak hours so you can't expect good frequencies if that happens. the complains about the frequencies also makes no sense. they can only blame it on the traffic jams that are caused by the huge amount of vehicles out there.

vicamour SG

Other examples? Most SMRTB services have bad frequencies, only a few have good frequencies, which are a few, 67, 190, 851, 854, 913, just to name a few.

Blame it on traffic jams again? Why not blame their half hearted efforts in their bus operations all these years, on top of the overcrowded population problem in this country and LTA's reluctant efforts to improve bus systems and to build seamless systems like the guided bus system to make bus journeys free from other obstructions?

Back to topic, the buses used in these secondary services can jolly well use to improve bus services instead. Weekends doesn't mean that no one is using public buses. And the manpower and buses can be used for services that has very bad frequencies and high loading during weekends. As discussed before, services like 980 for example.

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