LTA Central Planning (Phase I) – Splitting ultra-long routes

last SG · 2010-03-27T22:14:40+00:00

*sigh* what to do? this is singapore, where everything is rising anyway, hope 135 wont be affected, for now

SBS997A SG

hmmm to me i see no faster travel time in it e.g take 51 from HG to JE and i take 151-154-97 is all most the same time is does not save time in one fact. mainly LTA just want people to take the MRT - Messes Rapid Transit

SBS7485P SG

cut sv 61, 67, 190, 960, 961, 963, 966, 980 the other half portion give sbs

SMB32T SG

I still remember the former service 85 (Sengkang to Harbourfront). After the NEL rationalisation the route was withdrawn. However due to complaints regarding loss of connectivity along the Rivervale areas service 119 was re-introduced to ply between Sengkang to Kovan hub.

One Harmonius Blend SG

In my opinion, cutting a few of these services do indeed benefit the LTA. BUT the inconvenience they cause to the public is worse than their intended benefit. Let's take a few services for example and maybe some things I would suggest if necessary:

If Service 16 were to be cut, it is impossible because though the people travelling to the east (meaning Bedok and Marine Parade) from Bukit Merah is not so demanding, there are indeed people from the Bedok, Marine Parade, Joo Chiat and Dunman stretch who have to travel to places like Nicoll Highway and Orchard. Unless they do shorten 16 to the Stadium Link OR split it into 2 services which terminate at Stadium Link and Marina Centre OR in an extent the commuters are forced to take the CCL.

And what's more, what will happen to the drivers of these affected services? If 61 were to be affected, will some drivers be forced to be SMRT Standbys or will they have the alternative choice to go over to an SBST service that follows part of 61's route?

1. Dont forget people in the Tiong Bahru area though, the only hope for them to MP and bedok is this bus, and the fastest link to town, cut this service off, people will complain, and judging by the way it goes, should be the fastest one to Mountbatten/TK area

2) If 61 is affected, where is the place it will end at?

SBS7485P SG

2) Woodlands* can control either 853 or 854, should 61 be affected

* if 61 is still under w'lands control

take MRT from tiong bahru to mountbatten station and transfer 31.

105090 SG

these are the services which i believe will not be cut

172 180 161 168 966 85 39 858 969 965 700 190 960

i just feel that they should put bus lanes on highways... gives ppl more reason to ditch their cars for the bus.

hey.. do u drive a car or use the expressway frequently? bus lane on expressways?? u sure anot..?? bus networks are so poor, overcrowded, expensive... who will want to take a bus given a choice?

theres sooo few services on the expressway and most expressway services has poor frequencies.. islandwide, only TPE from Punggol Road to Tampines Ave 10 has the most public buses than other stretches. even so, their coming and goings are so far in between..

also, bus operators dont like to operate trunk services which uses expressways.

One Harmonius Blend SG

take MRT from tiong bahru to mountbatten station and transfer 31.

Never heard of this MRT station before, care to elaborate?

Cut off 16, the people's hope of wanting to reach town in the fastest manner will be gone, along with MP and JC

SBS7485P SG

Never heard of this MRT station before, care to elaborate?

Cut off 16, the people's hope of wanting to reach town in the fastest manner will be gone, along with MP and JC

mountbatten will be opened on 17 apr 2010 CCL. MRT will be faster than sv16.

One Harmonius Blend SG

mountbatten will be opened on 17 apr 2010 CCL. MRT will be faster than sv16.

but think, will people from Bukit Merah want to take MRT all the way to BV, and then transfer to Mountbatten? no right and Stadium-wise, it ain't going to make things better, especially people from the Henderson area

SBS3688Y SG

i was thinking if LTA shld just stay out of this and let both companies decide whether any adjustments are required or not..

I fully agree. I don't think LTA knows any better than SBST and SMRT in terms of identifying the current issues of public transport and to think of effective solutions to improve. Whatever decision made should strike a balance between commuter needs and companies viabilities - vs service, fares, concession and the company's economic viabilities. I believe our two public bus operators are currently doing fine though there's still room for improvement. The intro of Short-Working trips (SWT) is a good move by our bus operators to improve service during peak hours and deserves praise.

^tamago^ SG

cut sv 61, 67, 190, 960, 961, 963, 966, 980 the other half portion give sbs

then SMRT stands to lose out a lot.

the next thing we know, maybe jurong east also comes under SMRT...

SMB32T SG

Suggested route to take MRT from Redhill, transfer to NEL at Outram Park, then transfer again at Dhoby Ghaut for the CCL.

Samuel Lee SG

Suggested route to take MRT from Redhill, transfer to NEL at Outram Park, then transfer again at Dhoby Ghaut for the CCL.

Nope. Suggested way should be taking MRT from Redhill straight to Paya Lebar then transfer CCL.

This is not sensible. Because, there is no way that Harbourfront can connect towards East in a forseeable future. So, by taking BNV route = must go through Botanic Gardens, Bishan, Serangoon, Paya Lebar then destination (Skipped those less prominent stations)

deskoh91 SG

Nope. Suggested way should be taking MRT from Redhill straight to Paya Lebar then transfer CCL.

other than the above and backtracking to buona vista, going to City Hall and walking to Esplanade MRT will work better, especially when the Raffles City B2 Link is completed.

One Harmonius Blend SG

Suggested route to take MRT from Redhill, transfer to NEL at Outram Park, then transfer again at Dhoby Ghaut for the CCL.

That's going to waste even more time.

No people from henderson would be interested in wasting their time, when there is a direct bus.

Beanman SG

That's going to waste even more time.

No people from henderson would be interested in wasting their time, when there is a direct bus.

but if it's longer and cheaper,i think people won't mind.

SBS7485P SG

That's going to waste even more time.

No people from henderson would be interested in wasting their time, when there is a direct bus.

Let me own you now about your Service 16,

MRT CHANGE BUS REDHILL/TIONG BAHRU - MOUNTBATTEN

if u stay at mountbatten take train from redhill/tiong bahru to kallang 14-16mins and transfer 12, 31, 32, 33 to mountbatten or old airport 6mins according to iris Journey Planner from kallang stn to mountbatten voc sch. 22MINS

SV 16 HENDERSON - MARINE PARADE

according to iris Journey Planner, sv16 takes you 48mins from henderson (henderson pr sch) to mountbatten (old airport rd blk 39). 48MINS

SV14/196 JLN BT MERAH - MOUNTBATTEN

in fact according to iris journey planner, taking sv14, 196 from jln bt merah nearby to mountbatten rd (mountbatten voc sch) takes you only 40mins. 40MINS

MRT CHANGE BUS, REDHIL/TIONG BAHRU - MARINE PARADE

from redhill/tiong bahru to paya lebar is 18-20min transferring to sv43, 76, 135 to marine parade (opp blk 72) at paya lebar (paya lebar stn) takes another 9min according to iris journey planner. 29MINS

SV 16 HENDERSON - MARINE PARADE

now from henderson, according to iris journey planner taking sv16 takes you 59mins from henderson rd (henderson pr sch) to marine parade (opp blk 72) 59MINS

http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/journeyplan/step3.aspx?Start=10341|HENDERSON%20PR%20SCH&EndList=92189&hidSolutionType=C&StartDescription=HENDERSON%20RD&EndDescription=JOO%20CHIAT%20RD&hidStartType=s&hidEndType=s

SV196/197 JLN BT MERAH - MARINE PARADE

now according to iris journey planner from jln bt merah to marine parade rd (opp blk 72) takes you 50mins. 50MINS

Fact #1: SV 16 is the slower mode even if commuters have to take a bus from henderson/jln bt merah to redhill or tiong bahru mrt.

Fact #2: There are alternative services to SV 16 which are faster

Fact #3: One Harmonious Blend is wrong.

I believe iris Journey Planner is accurate in travel times.

^tamago^ SG

indeed. travelling by train is very fast provided that there ain't many transfers to make. and you have to walk more.

service_238 SG

indeed. travelling by train is very fast provided that there ain't many transfers to make. and you have to walk more.

walking is good for exercising.. especially for peeps using adult fare.

then again throughfare is coming so....

scaniaB7RLE SG

haizz, i see something abt this:

LTA split up long routes = more transfers = more money must pay = more confusion = more complaints.

to me, splitting up SHOULD not be necessary what...seriously, they call this promoting public transportation, i dont think so. 'improve not jeopardise'. i feel the current routes are good enough...

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