New Bus Stop in Yishun

last SG · 2010-03-13T21:39:41+00:00

The shuttle bus boarding point at the bus interchange easily makes the Yishun hospital the one with the most inaccessible boarding point for the shuttle bus...

vicamour SG

What are they thinking??? 858 already has poor frequencies and overloading during peak hours and travelling from Woodlands to Changi Airport takes at least 1h 15mins. Now they are extending it to make travelling time longer to the airport for North bound commuters. What kind of planning is this???

Rather LTA should extend 965 instead, which has only 27 stages to Sengkang as compared to 858's 43 stages to Changi Airport.

Proposed 965 route.

From WRI:

Woodlands Ave 7, Sembawang Way, Canberra Rd, Sembawang Rd, Yishun Ave 7, Yishun Ave 2, Yishun Central, Yishun Central 1 (New bus stops Opp&Outside BLK 921, BLK 932), Yishun Central 2, Yishun St 61 (New bus stop outside BLK 605 and Chung Cheng High Sch), Yishun Ring Road, Yishun Ave 2, then proceed the usual route to Sengkang.

Same for return route.

TIB1232Z SG

Rather LTA should extend 965 instead, which has only 27 stages to Sengkang as compared to 858's 43 stages to Changi Airport.

Proposed 965 route.

From WRI:

Same for return route.

The entire point was about providing a direct link for Sembawang residents to the Airport. And so you missed the point totally. What... asking them to transfer 27 at Sengkang?

And seriously, no changes for such a long time people complain. Got route amendment liao STILL complain. What is it that you people want?

off_service SG

Rather LTA should extend 965 instead, which has only 27 stages to Sengkang as compared to 858's 43 stages to Changi Airport.

Proposed 965 route.

From WRI:

Same for return route.

I always say, if you are not living in the affected area or taking the affected service often please keep your comments to yourself.

This amendment is an effort between the constituency and SMRT to improve links after residents request for a service to the east. This long awaited change has taken almost 4 years to materialise. I am glad SMRT had agreed to amend service 858 since 969 would not be able to cope.

So before you lament about long journey time in which I think you will hardly come out and take 858 at all, I suggest you go and find out all reasons behind this amendment instead of asking "what kind of planning is this".

By the way, I am one of those who requested for it.

off_service SG

So it follows 167's route from Canberra Link to Sembawang Road before turning left into Avenue 5? Won't have to walk as far as I thought to get to the bus then :P

It turns right into Canberra Road after Sembawang MRT if I not wrong, not Canberra Link.

jayh272416 SG

i expected it to go one round around yishun central. Lol.

n4l SG

The entire point was about providing a direct link for Sembawang residents to the Airport. And so you missed the point totally. What... asking them to transfer 27 at Sengkang?

And seriously, no changes for such a long time people complain. Got route amendment liao STILL complain. What is it that you people want?

He almost always has only negative things to comment on when it's related to SMRT. Ignoring would suffice.

vicamour SG

I always say, if you are not living in the affected area or taking the affected service often please keep your comments to yourself.

By the way, I am one of those who requested for it.

FYI, I am a frequent commuter of 858, especially to Woodlands Ave 9. So that's why I proposed the 965 amendment, since it has the lowest passenger capacity and shortest fare stages for 858, 965 and 969. And travelling in 858 from Changi Airport already takes more than an hour (Yishun at least 40 mins), even if the BCs have speeded along TPE. Demand and traffic conditions are especially high along Yishun Ave 2, Chong Pang and Woodlands. Especially during evening peak, the queues in Changi Airport can be two times longer than the queue along the normal ones, and waiting times can be up to 13 to 15 mins. Worst still, TPE along Sengkang can be jammed for some days in the morning peak.

Proposal of 965 also gives Sembawang residents another faster choice to the east and so they can choose a variety of services to the East and Northeast. In addition, it does not call at Jln Kayu bus stops, which is faster.

And initially I also thought of service 811, Khatib bound route to extended to the new hospital, leaving from Yishun Central, Yishun Central 2, Yishun Ring Rd and proceed to Yishun Ave 2. The extended route looks too intentionally to be re routed to the new hospital, which can at least increase the whole trip by another 10 to 12 minutes, given that it has to cross 2 traffic lights, 1 bus stop and 2 slip roads.

I appreciate the improvements, so I took the initative to even map out the roads to propose a better alternative than 858. I give my suggestions with supporting claims because I am a frequent commuter on 858, not empty talks.

TIB1232Z SG

Please note that you're not the only person who "commutes frequently" on 858. I have a couple of friends that live in Sembawang that are currently doing part-time jobs at the Airport. For them travelling to the Airport currently can be a nightmare. 859 waiting times are not very good during off-peak and they have to mix with Yishun passengers at Blk 923 bus stop for 858. They can of course go to Woodlands and take 168 and transfer again, but because they are not using concessionary travel it means paying alot more. Just because Sembawang seems cut off from the other parts of Singapore doesn't mean it should not benefit from a direct route to the Airport, should it?

The very purpose of Jalan Kayu is to serve as an interchange point. 858 > 39 brings Sembawang residents to Pasir Ris in no time. 858 > 103 brings them to Serangoon straight, changing to 86 brings them to Ang Mo Kio or Sengkang. If you omit Jalan Kayu as an interchange point, then where do you expect them to change buses?

And lastly, the small diversion into KTP hospital does not take 10 minutes, seriously. I wonder how you estimate it to be 10 minutes. -___-" The most it would do is 5 minutes, probably 3 minutes on average.

off_service SG

If you are saying TPE will jam, what's the point of even amending 965 as you've said?

You are saying that a transfer from 965 at Sengkang to the East is faster, given that the frequencies of buses at Sengkang to East isn't that good as well. Not to mention 965 can have even worse frequency than 858.

From your reply I really don't see that you "appreciate" the amendment, or even thinking of Sembawang residents. Your first line of "what are they thinking" already strongly suggest you are faulting the amendment.

I suggest you can talk to the people who had fought for the convenience of the Sembawang residents and bring up your grievance. Hopefully they will be able to convince you. Simply because I know the rest of us can't.

RU4127T SG

Instead of making 858 go round and round, what they should have done was to come up with a new inter-town service instead.

RU4127T SG

If you are saying TPE will jam, what's the point of even amending 965 as you've said?

The TPE Jam in the morning happens between the SGK - PSR sector only.

vicamour SG

So that is why I proposed the extension of 965 to Sembawang instead, so that Sembawang commuters can have a more variety of choices, and faster choices to the East. They can have choices to the airport with 27, Pasir Ris with 89, Hougang with 27, 80, Serangoon with 82. 965 frequencies can be improved if they added 2 buses to it. I never say that to leave Sembawang residents out of any improvements.

Extending 858 lenghtens the trips of Woodlands residents to the airport by at least another 25 mins, given the worst case scenarios, and it will even be worse for Yishun residents when the bus reached Yishun Central, which the bus might be 3/4 full. Worst case, how about those in Khatib??? If 858 is a lower demand service like 965, then I have no issues. But most of the times, during the morning peak, the bus is almost full in Khatib bus stop. So affecting residents in Woodlands and Yishun only makes things worse for 858, which presently cannot really cope the demands during peak hours.

Lastly, the small extension to KTP hospital.

If given the worst case scenario, extended 858 moves from bus stop outside Yishun Central Park, turns into the slip road into Yishun Central, but stops for around 10 to 20 seconds for vehicles turning into Yishun Central from Yishun Ave 2. Then just in time the red light signals up at the junction of Yishun Central and Yishun Central 2, wait around 60 secs. Then another 10 to 20 seconds to wait for passing oncoming vehicles, crossing pedestrains before negotiating the turn into Yishun Central 2. Stops at the bus stop for about 1-3 mins for alighting/boarding passengers. Then just in time the red light signals up at the junction of Yishun Ring Road. Another 60 secs gone. Then another 10 to 20 seconds to wait for passing oncoming vehicles, crossing pedestrains before negotiating the turn into Yishun Ring Road. Approaching the slip road towards Yishun Ave 2, a lot of times many inconsiderate private buses and cabs like to stop outside BLK 602, especially during morning peaks, buses along Yishun Ave 2 jammed up. Suppose this happened, 1 854 bendy, 1 969 bendy and 1 811 bendy got stuck behind. High possibility that the slip road may be blocked. then 858 may have to wait for another 30 secs to 2 mins to be out on Yishun Ave 2. And all these are just waiting times and not the times that the bus moved. So it takes around 10 mins, and 12 mins if BC is ahead of schedule.

off_service SG

Instead of making 858 go round and round, what they should have done was to come up with a new inter-town service instead.

That would be a most straightforward and most welcomed solution. But I doubt there's resources for a new service.

vicamour SG

If you are saying TPE will jam, what's the point of even amending 965 as you've said?

Do you know where is the place that TPE is normally jammed during peak hours???

The stretch between exits of Punggol Road and Pasir Ris, because most vehicles will be moving from Sengkang/Punggol to TPE / KPE exit, because many Sengkang residents are using KPE. 965 stops TPE before this jam, since it exits at Punggol Road exit.
If 965 is given the extension, shouldn't the frequencies be improved??? Currently, 858 and 965 has more or less the same frequencies, with 965 have 1-2 mins longer average waiting times. However, current 858 has already much higher loading capacities than what is happening for 965. So which can have a better management of higher demand if given 2 additional buses??? 858 or 965???

My objective is that extension is good provided that the journey time is not lengthen for the already long run time and increase the load where the load is already not managable.

off_service SG

The TPE Jam in the morning happens between the SGK - PSR sector only.

Yes. So in Vicamour's solution of extending 965 to Sembawang, no matter you take the amended 858 straight or transfer to a bus to the east at Sengkang, either way the jam will affect the journey.

sbs8104h SG

It's already good that they are amending 858 to serve a town(Sembawang) that is not that well linked with other places. I'm sure that Sembawang residence are happy. Just a little admendment and you're whining like a little kid. I sometimes commute on 858 and i think it won't kill your butt just to sit a little longer. Appreciate at the fact that SMRT is doing something. By amending, i'm sure ridership will go up and they will probably add more buses to serve it's route. You can't blame traffic jams in the first place. It's unpredictable.

Go talk to the MP about this and maybe he would convice you. Still not happy, write down to SMRT.

off_service SG

Do you know where is the place that TPE is normally jammed during peak hours???

Yes. So IF I transfer bus at Sengkang to go East, I WILL STILL be stuck in the jam RIGHT?

The main idea of the 858 amendment is to go East, NOT Sengkang. There's more than enough efficient ways to go Sengkang from the North.

RU4127T SG

That would be a most straightforward and most welcomed solution. But I doubt there's resources for a new service.

Well..
I would not comment about the resources that SMRT might have.

But the feeling that they are giving me is that they are being forced to do it.

To put it in a very blunt way,
its a half-f***ed effort on their side.

TIB1232Z SG

Do you know where is the place that TPE is normally jammed during peak hours???

My objective is that extension is good provided that the journey time is not lengthen for the already long run time and increase the load where the load is already not managable.

So what makes you think that 858 would not receive additional buses due to the extension? If you strongly believe that 965 should receive 2 more buses if it is extended, then I also strongly believe that 858 will receive 2 more buses given it is already extended.

AND like you said, 858's frequency would be improved. But thats dependent on whether you can see that it is improved or not - that's a different story altogether.

RU4127T SG

AND like you said, 858's frequency would be improved. But thats dependent on whether you can see that it is improved or not - that's a different story altogether.

I believe the concern now its not about freq but whether 858 can now handle the new extra load.

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