Cross border Services to be doubled?

last SG · 2009-11-27T01:49:44+00:00

How about new SBST service 150 ? lolstart somewhere110, 120 , 140 also can. Start from Pasir Ris/Ang Mo Kio/HarbourFront/Eunos/Toa Payoh.

105090 SG

but NSL in train announcement

"Going to Johor Bahru? Alight at Marsiling Station and transfer to SMRT Bus Service 950 opposite the Marsiling Station to Kota Raya II Terminal. The last bus leaves at 2335"

But honestly, if really wanna take from Woodlands Ctr to JB, take 170 (From 170B to 170R) cheaper

the MRT train announcement is another irirtating MRT stunt. those who want to go JB dont need anyone telling or teaching them to take 950.. with its poor frequency and high loads.. ppl bo pian come from woodlands then take it.. i go JB from AMK, i rather take MRT 2 more stops to Kranji and take 170

sbst275 SG

off peak now 16 mins wo

Holiday dun think got special schedule either

TIB930Z SG

might as well just put a new line from Kranji to Larkin Terminal , SMRT & Malaysia Railways join hands , no matter how many service you put , no point, it's about frequency and efficiency

SMB66X SG

I think SMRT should use all 20 bus instead of just 8-10. Roughly, 1-3 will be stand-by bus for service 950 and the rest will be on service.

SMRT can also direct Passenger to take service 911/912/913/856/178 and walk into the Woodlands Checkpoint.

carbikebus SG

Really no point one,Saw many 170s stuck up in the jams for dunno how many minutes.Then when reach Malaysia checkpoint 5-7 buses at one go,Good what pax has many choices.950 is just a back up services,Another alternative though you cant really depend on it.

carbikebus SG

but NSL in train announcement

"Going to Johor Bahru? Alight at Marsiling Station and transfer to SMRT Bus Service 950 opposite the Marsiling Station to Kota Raya II Terminal. The last bus leaves at 2335"

But honestly, if really wanna take from Woodlands Ctr to JB, take 170 (From 170B to 170R) cheaper

Those who frequently take buses would either hop into Bas Kilang and pay 1 ringgit.

I agree Public tpt must improve more for Singapore routes but within cross border?Most would just rent car to jb,Take express service or JB taxis which is more than faster.You wanna take 170 from Queen St to Larkin?What i understand 170blue that need amazing frequencies to kapo pax from Kranji to JB.950 just cannot make it,So what can you do shoot email to Govt to mke it 3 mins per bus?You ought to know how many buses does they have compared to SBST which got ton of buses.Period

TIB1232Z SG

At first I thought it was some official news that there were plans to double the cross-border services - and I came in to read the first few posts and realised it's another of those crappy "complain-king" threads full of gibberish and nonsensical immature stuff that is trying to throw the impression that SMRT is bad, stupid, nonsensical, crappy, or whatever negative thoughts you could throw in, though fruitlessly because most of us here just ignore the crap posted. Of course, that's extremist ideology propaganda - only the insane and critically insecure people would believe it!

And if people were to feel sad for me, feel free to go ahead. I feel even sadder that you cannot appreciate public transport in Singapore - you probably need to see a psychologist for your mental problems before you go mad. And stop giving that stupid stance that SMRT has done nothing recently - I myself know what they have been doing and I appreciate it. But can you? Some people just don't see the bigger picture of everything because their brain is so pea-sized-small and cannot see anything beyond today.

Yes! I know 950 has bad service standards - I experienced similar things on 857 last night. But you can whine here all day till the cows, lambs and dogs come home and nobody will give a shit about your rubbish. Why not you try managing the routes, fleets and service standards and see how easy it is? With this all-talk-no-action attitude, of course cannot lah. I figure the companies would close down within 1 month of your taking over.

So, stop wasting bandwidth please. I'd rather ignore rubbish than be tricked into reading rubbish.

sbst275 SG

I think SMRT should use all 20 bus instead of just 8-10. Roughly, 1-3 will be stand-by bus for service 950 and the rest will be on service.

SMRT can also direct Passenger to take service 911/912/913/856/178 and walk into the Woodlands Checkpoint.

problem is, the latter option would not work anymore

There's no more walking to JB allowed

sbst275 SG

Those who frequently take buses would either hop into Bas Kilang and pay 1 ringgit.

dun mention abt pirate buses, they aren't even licensed to operate. If there's langa, let's see how going to cover insurance or ICA/ LTA come and enforcement. Tat's take it at your own risk

Cross border I've said said at heading post there's no way imo it can be expanded. Anyway there are really ppl who take 170 from JB to Bt Timah, nothing surprising.

I've alrdy posted 950 holiday1 could be at 8-9 mins, so dun come and shoot out wat suggestion on gmail of 3 mins or watever. if SMRT dun have enough buses, then why 531 can be 4-8 mins? profits first right?

sbst275 SG

So, stop wasting bandwidth please. I'd rather ignore rubbish than be tricked into reading rubbish.

if you find it rubbish go ahead

But take it if its to nation interest to promote public tpt for the future w/ a bigger population. It isn't just abt 'SMRT being a GLC tat kind of sv std' or wat, the whole planning of tpt system is not even working anymore, if no one go overhauls it, I can tell you 1 - 3 yrs later the whole system is going to crash

imagine yourself tring to board a bus, and the driver bo chap just close and open e door when your legs are on the bus floorboard. how you going to feel? I think cos you're not going to care as long as not I kena right?

Transtar Solitarie SG

I think the best is that SMRT or SBS Transit introduce another service frm Sin to Larkin becuase Larkin is quite popular for travelling to other states in Malaysia and most singaporean visits there. For the moment, 170 only plys frm Queen Street to Larkin.

My point of view, introducing new svc such as 160 & 950 frm Jurong East & Woodlands plys to Kotaraya Bus ter is good, but passangers rather walk 2 City Square area frm the new CIQ rather. I notice that 160,170(Blue) & 950 bring nobody frm JB Custom to Kotaraya. The most you can see is 1-3 passengers.

My suggestion is that have another svc to Larkin. Right now, there's more service to Kotaraya rather than Larkin. 160 & 950 do most in bringing passengers frm Woodlands Ckpt to JB Ckpt. Try to imagine, 160,170(Blue) & 950 comes at all times while 170(Red) come only 1 bus. As a result, long queue creates at the JB Custom and maybe some passengers have 2 wait another bus. Likewise CW-1 sometimes enter kotaraya 2 ter due to high demad to Larkin.

Kotaraya 2 Ter: 160, 170(Blue), 950 & CW-1

Larkin Ter: 170 (Red), CW-1, CW-2 , CW Link Shuttle frm JB CIQ to Larkin to & fro & S'pore Johore Exp.

What do u guys think??

SBS2601D SG

So, stop wasting bandwidth please. I'd rather ignore rubbish than be tricked into reading rubbish.

First thing...

You compare for the better, not the worse.

Yes, I agree that public transport here is still on the whole, ok, but if I cannot board the bus because it is full and the frequency is so crap that the next bus that comes is also full, then what makes it different from buses that do not even appear??

Why is SMRT still passing up the chance to purchase DDs? I don't get the sex appeal of bendies....S'pore is only so big and every space counts and bendies take up a fair bit of space.

Don't need to talk about just buses...there are times when I try to take the train in the late morning and it is packed. Why? Because the train frequency was 8 min. They don't show 8 min by the way, they simply wait 2 - 3 min and then post 6 min on the screen.

If you guys can only think of profits and profits and profits and the squeezing of passengers, then thats very sad for you. You should be wanting people to see pull factors in taking public transport, and not push factors to force them to take them through higher costs and then wonder why everyone is still willing to fork out $$ for ERP and cars.

Oh by the way, when is the govt gonna realise that economics will not solve all the problems with regards to jams? Don't they see that people are ultimately still people who wish to eat with their families?? Why are they encouraging people to jam up alternative roads and going home later and in the same breath coming up with days like family day and telling people to build family bonds?? Can't they see the problem really lies with people's reluctance to take public transport for very good reasons??

You're not even thinking when you post "stop wasting bandwidth"! At the very least you should be applying some critical thinking when you see complaints about the public transport. Complaints might appear easily, nonetheless they don't appear for no reasons.

sbst275 SG

actually simply, they thought public buses and more cars can live together on our tiny island

Y_Shun SG

So, stop wasting bandwidth please. I'd rather ignore rubbish than be tricked into reading rubbish.

Your reply also not any better.

Why not just let people rant and ignore?

off_service SG

Most people who gave the most comments (in general) about "poor SMRT standards" are usually those who are not living in areas controlled by SMRT areas. I wonder if anyone notices that.

Even if the services rendered are bad, SMRT will most likely to get you to the destination despite your cursing and swearing under your breath or in your heart. I don't think anyone can deny that.

off_service SG

Why is SMRT still passing up the chance to purchase DDs? I don't get the sex appeal of bendies....S'pore is only so big and every space counts and bendies take up a fair bit of space.

1. Take alternative route like trains or taxis. Unless it's the only service then I got nothing to say.

2. Buying a bus is more than just simply getting a quote and buy. Each bus company has it's own brand preference (pretty obvious). Infrastructures like depot and training have to be also taking into consideration. What's the point of ordering DDs when some depots and even interchanges do not allow the use of DDs.

3. Late morning is off peak. 6 to 8 mins frequency is normal.

4. Complaints are aplenty, but the irony is, they don't usually come from the regulars of the services or companies concerned.

SBS2601D SG

1. Take alternative route like trains or taxis. Unless it's the only service then I got nothing to say.

3. Late morning is off peak. 6 to 8 mins frequency is normal.

4. Complaints are aplenty, but the irony is, they don't usually come from the regulars of the services or companies concerned.

1. Costs must be factored in. A little a day might not seem a lot, but it adds up as time goes by. It really depends on your priorities. Its either your time, energy, or your money and if you lack $$, why should it be a case of "its simply too bad for you"?

2. The retort to this is simple, SMRT still has to start somewhere right?...As difficult as it may sound, if they don't even start then we'll get no where. At the same time I don't get why LTA is interfering with the choice of buses for SG roads as far as bendies are concerned but that's another thing altogether. So if SMRT refuses to do anything about having nothing but SDs, we're not going to do anything either?

3. Late morning is off-peak. But with the 8 min frequency it doesn't look like off-peak at all with crowds of people waiting at the NS/NE and EW/NS interchanges. Strong indication of chronic shortage of resources. I'm not buying the loads of crap about MRT infrastructures being unable to support better infrastructure because the CCL and DTL turned out to be down-sized when they had the chance to up-size. Recalling the complaints years ago about MRTs being too small, LTA replied that its too late and costly to do anything about the NS/EW/NE lines. And now they gave us the CCL. Maybe the demand projected might not be there, but who can really tell? Are they going to give the same reason years later?

4. I haven't really noticed that. Incidentally I am one of those mentioned. Perhaps the reason is that we tend to compare with SBST. Honestly, even those SMRT svcs whose frequencies are pretty ok, and considered very good pales in comparison to comparable SBST svcs. 190 of course is an exception. I do take SMRT svcs every now and then and I do get fed up waiting for SMRT buses. Svcs like 965, 854 which are considered to be better in terms of waiting time still lags in frequency compared to say 161 and 25, 55. If I feel like hoping onto 189 to makan at West Coast Plaze or the hawker centre, I have to make a very good case to persuade my friends because my friends REALLY hate waiting for SMRT buses. The same goes for 171 if we have to get to town.

Then again, these are my perceptions of SMRT and it is in my view that its services in general is really not up-to-scratch and will likely see even more strain with the increasing population pressure. Yes. It is still better than say...up north, where public buses can get caught in jams within interchanges if even possible. But one has to remember our population density.

Hopefully all these is taken in the right spirit and not get tarred with the same brush as "mere complaints of complain kings/queens".

Edit: Oh yea, forgot to add....but can SMRT do a better job cleaning the interior of the bus? Or are they waiting for the refurbishment exercise and the scrapping to do away with the heaps of dusts?

carbikebus SG

SBST275 My God do the service exist now??You said cannot have more cars on our tiny island is like depriving Govt the chances of income.Do you know that car tax and COE alone is about quarter of nation income?Not to mention cigarrettes and liqour,They say bad for health but still many brand of cig come nowadays,Liqour no need to say they know Singaporean love to drink hence the rising price.Do you know that several vehicles which are less than 5 years old kena scrapped or even export to other countries?Why LTA bother to built and expand more expressways and roads in the first place.They already anticipate this that's why all the works and ERP there..I wanna see if you've graduate and have your own career,own house and family not to buy car in future.Let you be the role example ok.Or how i would pray hard you take over Saw Phaik Hwa and let thing run by your style,Ok wise guy.

Ok guys i rest my case here,Got better things to do than wasting breath in this topic.

SMB66X SG

problem is, the latter option would not work anymore

There's no more walking to JB allowed

They walk to Woodlands Checkpoint then take 160/170/950/CW1/2/3 and a few buses to Johor Checkpoint, so there should not be a problem.

TIB657M SG

Try to wait for 160 (From Kota Raya two to JEI direction). You can wait more than half an hour at the Woodlands Checkpoint. Once 160 arrives, it may be bunched up with 1 to 2 buses.

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