Marymount MRT Private Bus Service 721

sbst275 SG

Anyone notice that the route for 721 skips the road with the LTA office? haha... must be out to spite those pple...

look at e route, it's more of residential route than to serve e industrial area of Sin Ming

sbst275 SG

If Singapore was in Europe LTA would get royally screwed for violating anti-competition laws... Usually companies take the onus on themselves to "eradicate" the competition by consolidating, but here, the government is doing it~!

u sure there's free laws in e West?

Then explain abt e fall of GM??? it's all thks to 30 yrs of protectionalism law on it's own car industry!

Fryderyk HPH SG

u sure there's free laws in e West?

Then explain abt e fall of GM??? it's all thks to 30 yrs of protectionalism law on it's own car industry!

Freer than here for sure. In the case of GM... GM had just too many employees and was such a established and big part of the economy that the government simply couldn't afford to let them fail. In USA there are so many other car companies, so your statement cannot be used in context. Though GM is a strong lobby interest, they do not "control" others.

Here the government actually dictates what goes where... Otherwise you'd see much more liberalisation of the transport industry in Singapore.

sbst275 SG

Here the government actually dictates what goes where... Otherwise you'd see much more liberalisation of the transport industry in Singapore.

I'm telling you this, it's all because of protectionalism tat all those things came about. Instead of embracing against Japanese car markers in e 1970s, they made protection law against e Japanese.

Suddenly the Unions came into my mind as well for not being flexible, being e culprits of end up helping their union members to lose their jobs.

The Western govt do have protectionalism laws on it's industries as well.

Make it ironic, back in e 1970s, there were 3 bus cos yet they did not bother to find innovation like double decks or OMTS until all were forced merged into SBS.

Fryderyk HPH SG

I'm telling you this, it's all because of protectionalism tat all those things came about. Instead of embracing against Japanese car markers in e 1970s, they made protection law against e Japanese.

Suddenly the Unions came into my mind as well for not being flexible, being e culprits of end up helping their union members to lose their jobs.

The Western govt do have protectionalism laws on it's industries as well.

Make it ironic, back in e 1970s, there were 3 bus cos yet they did not bother to find innovation like double decks or OMTS until all were forced merged into SBS.

Erm excuse me I was referring to the transportation industry overseas, where there is much liberalisation, unlike here. Please don't go into the automobile sector, becoz the automobile sector is complex and not relevant to the discussion here.

There are many transport operators in Europe and USA for instance. Premium long distance buses is a good point in which elaboration is not necessary. There are many operators like Grayhound which have given out market share. This is what I meant. The government should not overly harp on its two entities and be open about competition. The local government is just too scared on anything that could potentially destabilise the industry, though that is unfounded.

sbst275 SG

you started saying abt anti - compeition laws in e West. thing is, in reality in there's still protectionalism in e much acclaimed 'free' West

Long distance bus routes have a bigger market share because of it's capacity issue. 1 coach can carry just like 30 passengers per trip and it's still very limited on e frequencies. Just like e SIN - KL or SIN - IPH rts.

if you really open up public tpt, would e smaller player end up folking out more $$ to buy buses? buying say 100 buses vs 500 buses at 1 go now?

dun ever forget what happened in e 1970s over the 3 chinese bus co? no one had been interested to buy double decks or going OMTS though buses were packed terribly compared till today. Maybe they lacked capital to invest on it being small companies. It was only till e merger to SBS tat things changed.

if you give it to smaller co maybe e private operators. are they going to be interested in runnnig it from 0530 - 2400 when alrdy say only peak hr feeder svs back in e past? now to say investing in double decks

dun ever talk abt compeition for e sake of it

Fryderyk HPH SG

you started saying abt anti - compeition laws in e West. thing is, in reality in there's still protectionalism in e much acclaimed 'free' West

if you really open up public tpt, would e smaller player end up folking out more $$ to buy buses? buying say 100 buses vs 500 buses at 1 go now?

dun ever talk abt compeition for e sake of it

So you saying SG should have a duopoly on bus routes?! So this unhealthy competition that kills off prospective new entriants into the market should be continued?! Look at what LTA is doing... This is state-controlled monopoly. Look at how many percent in shares are the current two operators owned by the government and how "efficient" the network in SG is. Ask yourself this. Do you find it efficient to travel from a SBST controlled territory to a SMRT controlled territory? Have you thought why? If then so, how to solve?

sbst275 SG

I'm not saying of duopoly or sort. End of the day it boils down to this question. 1) Would having more small players keep cost lower over purchase or it'll escalate over economies of scale? 2) Would new operators be interested into investing capital into bigger buses like double decks? 3) Would they be committed to providing bus svs bet 0530 - 0000 other than e profitable peak hr slot? 4) Are they willing to committ themselves into investing on things that'll improve passengers life i.e. IRIS or ez-link card as and when opportunity arises?

If it's a No, then it's not worth to compete just for e sake of competing. The days before SBS is a golden example.

e area issue I'll put it tis way, it's just like wat's going on in HK right now.. Kowloon rt and HK Island rts are exclusive to their own side

As for state owning, dun tell me you can't buy SBS's share in SGX?

721 SG

To have a double deck or not, the bussiness is not stupid to judge. The 2 operator only deploy it at area there are needed not for the sick of show only. Anti competition rule apply to all trade to prevent monopolise but to give excuses and never let the private operator a chance to try is monopolise. The present mode of operating the MRT n Buses route for 2 coy only can be apply for other private operator also.

sbst275 SG

But to start, do you have the capital required to purchase say 100 double decks at 1 go if you're a small operator?

back in the 1970s there was 3 bus co... yet there was no improvement, no double decks, no OMO.. yet all these became a reality when all was forced merged into a bigger SBS

721 SG

Set up comfort bus but suffer loss then merge to comfort Delgo using strong background and people money to compete with the normal people. Comfort Bus losses for years and to prevent close down SBS come and help. Now bus plus and transit come into market and compete with the private coy also.They have not really do their original duties propperly and still have resouces to expand.

sbst275 SG

do you see SBS buses being chartered out during peak hrs? it's ComfortDelgro buses these days

I've the buses, but do I have the drivers to cope with growing population and the horrible growth in cars tat causes today's traffic mess?

n4l SG

Featured on News tonight!

The uncle say "huh? I wait at the bus stop, never see this 721 before" :P

They're making losses of $200/day.

Let's organise an outing to support them!! :P

^tamago^ SG

when their last day of ops?

n4l SG

when their last day of ops?

Think already unofficially cease long ago, it's been forever since i spotted a 721

SBS n SMRT SG

Featured on News tonight!

The uncle say "huh? I wait at the bus stop, never see this 721 before" :P

They're making losses of $200/day.

Let's organise an outing to support them!! :P

not keen leh.........waste $$$$

service_238 SG

Spotted PA 8232 A at Changi Naval Base Coach lot at 5pm.

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