CCL3: Impact on Bus Svs

last SG · 2009-05-28T22:49:04+00:00

hmm ya. correct. wad cnt be avoided cnt be avoided. more ppl now stil depending on bus, cos CCL stage 3 cnt get anywhere for now. at most provide transfer t...

service_238 SG

Just hope by then LTA's central planning dont screw everything up.

SBS8033D SG

Just hope by then LTA's central planning dont screw everything up.

yeah.....

sbst275 SG

NYJC students have e CCL station right outside their skool, dun need to wait so far to get Sv 853 anymore

2 mins to Bishan, walk 3 mins to NSL platform... another 4 mins of waiting time + 12 mins to Yishun

SBS7382C SG

Just hope by then LTA's central planning dont screw everything up.

yeah...

anw LTA shld hav planned this when they did the NEL rationlisation...aft all the ccl started consruction then

.SBS9888Y. SG

SMRT would take advantage to withdraw 853 when LTA says bus services can be withdrawn. firstly CCL, NSL is faster over 853. secondly fares by 853 is cheaper than CCL change NSL (SMRT rather charge higher fares at a faster travel time), this is a threat to CCL demand and would cost them to lower profits. people on 853 can switch to CCL and SMRT would have lower operating costs with 853 axed.

Fryderyk HPH SG

Agreed... And for 853 to be truly cost viable, SMRT has to really dig its ass to reroute 853 so it won't shoot itself in the foot profit-wise... And 853 needs to be extended, not to Lor 1 Geylang Ter, but further down(maybe on to loop at Sims Place?)... Its current routing on Weekdays is unsustainable and unrealistic, but that is the sad reality of the failure of SMRT Buses and its poor planning.

.SBS9888Y. SG

actually 853 was there under TIBS not SMRT before the CCL plan. so you cant blame.

tranquilice SG

If SMRT withdraws service 853, it may gives more business to SBST if service 853 passengers take other alternative bus services.

Potong Pasir - Serangoon - Ang Mo Kio: service 133

Serangoon - Potong Pasir - Kallang Bahru: service 107

Geylang Bahru - Kallang MRT: service 26

Fryderyk HPH SG

actually 853 was there way before the CCL plan. so you cant blame it.

I know... But since SMRT made plans for the CCL, they should have made plans for the rationalisation too... And that is poor planning on SMRT's part. Well that isn't really that surprising, given SMRT's extremely "wise" ways of submitting a PTC application to reroute 852 to AMKDepot(cutting the profits), and not rerouting 853(cutting even more profits, or should I say, competition between its rail and bus divisions)... No wonder SMRT makes paper losses like the ones u see~...

.SBS9888Y. SG

If SMRT withdraws service 853, it may gives more business to SBST if service 853 passengers take other alternative bus services.

Potong Pasir - Serangoon - Ang Mo Kio: service 133

Serangoon - Potong Pasir - Kallang Bahru: service 107

Geylang Bahru - Kallang MRT: service 26

such losses are quite small cos they are current rivalling over these sectors.

tranquilice SG

Spotted Svs 13, 105, 133, 153 with slightly lower loading

Suspect Sv 22, 24, 53, 135, 853 have some effects as well.

How about service 52, 54 and 410 between Marymount and Bishan?

SMB32T SG

the two ends of CCL nobody one.

I believe that Shunfu residents will benefit from the CCL with the Marymount station right at their doorstep

tranquilice SG

such losses are quite small cos they are current rivalling over these sectors.

If SMRT withdraws service 853, then there will be no more rival between AMK and Kallang MRT sector, SBST will stand to gain a little more.

SMB32T SG

there wun be bus svs changes to CCL3.. cos svs like 22 or 24 serves e heavy corridor Paya Lebar, it's just they pick up less pax at S'goon New Town side

I believe SMRT's profit would plunge for the next 5 yrs

Think these services will most likely be affected after CCL 1 and 2 opens. I would think that service 24 might get shortened to operate from Eunos interchange in future.

For services 22 and 58 it might terminate at Serangoon - just nice to reduce its fleets after the WA Merc goes off

For service 70's case can't wait to see the great impact after CCL 1 and 2 opens (as mentioned by me already in another thread)

n4l SG

How about service 52, 54 and 410 between Marymount and Bishan?

54 still has loading during peak hours...

Fryderyk HPH SG

Think these services will most likely be affected after CCL 1 and 2 opens. I would think that service 24 might get shortened to operate from Eunos interchange in future.

For services 22 and 58 it might terminate at Serangoon - just nice to reduce its fleets after the WA Merc goes off

For service 70's case can't wait to see the great impact after CCL 1 and 2 opens (as mentioned by me already in another thread)

Point 1:

Sv. 24 is a Airport-plying service and I am doubtful that LTA/SBST/PTC would want to reorganise 24.

Point 2:

Sv. 22 has demand from AMK to Tampines/Ubi/Serangoon. Won't be changed much too.

Point 3:

Sv. 58 if amended to Serangoon Int would break the 5x series of Bishan.

Point 4:

Even when CCL 1 and 2 opens, you must understand many people would rather take the bus than the train, simply becoz along the way, some people's houses are nearer to the bus stop than the train station(which is usually the case along Guillemard, and also for factory workers near Kim Chuan).

Point 5:

Didn't SBST already mention that they will not do any rationalisation of bus services whatsoever???

n4l SG

Point 3:

Sv. 58 if amended to Serangoon Int would break the 5x series of Bishan.

So? :\

123 was amended to not ply St Mikes and it broke the 12x series at St Mikes. It doesn't matter.

sbst275 SG

over CCL1 & CCL2 dun forget abt deleting 22, 24, 28.. cos EWL has capacity problem and you wanna ask ppl to squeeze more to transfer to CCL to get to Paya Lebar? Maybe e some of e route might be re-routed to serve Bedok New Town more

As for current stage over 22, 24, 58 I think some parts of S'goon New Town residents might prefer to keep it status quo, need not walk so far to get a tpt solution to AMK. For Sv 58, I think it might be kept to keep e feeder link for AMK Ave 1 to Lor Chuan

sbst275 SG

How about service 52, 54 and 410 between Marymount and Bishan?

These few svs dun see a much diff

For 54, I've not looked at its peak hr demand as yet

service_238 SG

Think these services will most likely be affected after CCL 1 and 2 opens. I would think that service 24 might get shortened to operate from Eunos interchange in future.

For services 22 and 58 it might terminate at Serangoon - just nice to reduce its fleets after the WA Merc goes off

For service 70's case can't wait to see the great impact after CCL 1 and 2 opens (as mentioned by me already in another thread)

MRT opens = cut bus routes isnt everything. With the rapidly expanding population there's a need to balance both bus routes and train lines together. Dont forget the main motive of the circle line is to get pax out from transferring at the CBD area, with the 2nd motive of improving connectivity to the entire train network for pax living near the CCL stations.

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