Bus Articles in the Newspapers and Stomp.sg

last SG · 2008-04-23T22:42:57+00:00

OK...This has caused my respect for SBS Transit to drop by a significant amount.It's simply unbelievable. I can see why they are so insistent on the fares, b...

SBS9818A SG

What if the SBST driver assumes that the SMRT driver would drive off (from stationary) and thus stepped on the accelerator and as it was too late to jam the brakes he crashed instead? Dont forget if both buses are in stationary position their distance from each other is less than 5m.

not to forget that nobody would be insane enough to keep the vehicles 10m apart when stationary.

sbst275 SG

no signal of intention to change lane or watever, how ppl know wat you wanna do

reminds me of 1 near accident at PIE for jamming e brakes on e middle lane w/o signalling intention to change to e left lane

Oceane SG

The extent of the damage is inconsequential towards who is at fault or being "careless" here. In fact the SMRT driver would be the "careless" one as he just jammed brake without even checking if there was any vehicle behind.

Who would even check for anything behind before emergency braking? Correct me if I'm wrong, but in such a situation there is absolutely no time for anyone to look at their rear mirror and check if there are any vehicles behind. The action of pressing the brake pedal hard is within such a short time frame, I believe most people would stop their vehicle first and ensure their own safety before others.

Oceane SG

Let's wait for the full accident report... ok?

Its useless here blaming the drivers as none of us here know anything. Unless one of us here was the witness for the accident.

sbst275 SG

in e first place, if not for carelessness would you even e brake?

16/f/lonely SG

I once witnessed an accident that goes as such.

I was at Woodlands Int when this L113 was behind a 0405, waiting to embark passengers.

The 0405 moved and braked, seeing someone running towards it.

The L113 moved too but for some reason did not brake.

BRACK! Only then did the L113 braked resulting in broken side mirrors.

SBS9818A SG

Who would check for anything? I would, service_238 would, and would any responsible driver. Just a split-second glance is enough to change things.

It seems that the SMRT driver was attempting to cut lane to bypass the cars waiting to turn left at the junction further up. So it's his fault for going so close to the cars and also for being impatient and rash. He could have chosen to filter out earlier knowing full well the conditions there but no, he simply refused to do so.

Oceane SG

in e first place, if not for carelessness would you even e brake?

SMRT driver careless not to see lorry. That is agreeable.

SMRT driver careless to look at rear mirror to check for any vehicles behind before braking. I don't agree. By the time you see finish, your vehicle buang already.

SBS9818A SG

SMRT driver careless to look at rear mirror to check for any vehicles behind before braking. I don't agree. By the time you see finish, your vehicle buang already.

It doesn't take 5 seconds to have a quick glance at the side mirrors. You don't drive so you'll never be able to understand the implications of it.

Oceane SG

Who would check for anything? I would, service_238 would, and would any responsible driver. Just a split-second glance is enough to change things.

But not everyone does. The things happening in front staring right at the driver seems more important than whatever is happening behind because the eyes are grown at the front.

EDIT: I don't want to turn this into a debate session. Please PM me instead.

sbst275 SG

SMRT driver careless not to see lorry. That is agreeable.

SMRT driver careless to look at rear mirror to check for any vehicles behind before braking. I don't agree. By the time you see finish, your vehicle buang already.

I alrdy said... if you have noticed e lorry, you wun even have to e brake

lucky it's a car or bus... wat if it's m'bike? The poor chap can just fly in front of you and die

SBS9818A SG

But not everyone does. The things happening in front staring right at the driver seems more important than whatever is happening behind because the eyes are grown at the front.

Yes, since the events happening in front that face the driver right smack in the face are more important, these events are something that could have been foreseen in advance. Rather than knowing about the situation and trying to pull stunt at the last minute.

service_238 SG

Do you know that the most essential thing before you move off or brake is to glance at your side and rear view mirrors? A split second would do. You believe there's no time because you were not involved in this kind of situation before. I would encourage you to ask your father what would he do in this scenario.

As for your last sentence, I think you need to relook at what you typed. You need to ensure you own safety AS WELL AS others.

Let's wait for the full accident report... ok?

Its useless here blaming the drivers as none of us here know anything. Unless one of us here was the witness for the accident.

By then I believe it wont be featured on the media. This issue is not about blaming the drivers but as to how a driver would react given different kinds of situation he is in.

SBS9818A SG

As for your last sentence, I think you need to relook at what you typed. You need to ensure you own safety AS WELL AS others.

Somebody confirm fail TP already.. LOL. Driving without due consideration for other road users = immediate fail.

Oceane SG

As for your last sentence, I think you need to relook at what you typed. You need to ensure you own safety AS WELL AS others.

By then I believe it wont be featured on the media. This issue is not about blaming the drivers but as to how a driver would react given different kinds of situation he is in.

My last reply before I knock off.

Moving off yes, I know must look at the mirrors. Same for overtaking. Braking of course need to. But no for emergency braking. My father doesn't do that, yet he has been driving for 34 years without anything happening to him.

And true enough, ensure safety of yourself as well as others. But you come first. Others come next.

For the media part: Different drivers have different reactions mah. But still, I would say the SMRT driver has been negligent on driving his bendy, therefore resulting in a hit with the lorry. I don't want to comment about the SBST driver though.

Any replies, drop it in my mailbox.

lemon1974 SG

i think it is better to discuss this accident on the other "closed" thread lah.. so many discussions alread within 2 days.

btw, it seem like that the chasis might be damage. The back of the bus seem to be tilting downwards. It is not level and the rear bumper is quite low as compare to other batch 1 K230.

Scania SG

btw, it seem like that the chasis might be damage. The back of the bus seem to be tilting downwards. It is not level and the rear bumper is quite low as compare to other batch 1 K230.

Most likely due to air loss from the suspension. I doubt that the whole chassis is damaged, though everything at the front, from the dash to the handbrake to the chassis is damaged, seems that this would take months to repair.

SBS1984E SG

I wonder how large will the insurance payout be for the respective buses.

Oceane SG

You did mention something about the rear doors being damaged from impact. I wonder if the impact also hit the chassis...

Is it actually feasible to deregister the bus, buy another one, and register it as SBS 8074K? Instead of all the time, effort and money spent on repairing it.

Scania SG

You did mention something about the rear doors being damaged from impact. I wonder if the impact also hit the chassis...

Is it actually feasible to deregister the bus, buy another one, and register it as SBS 8074K? Instead of all the time, effort and money spent on repairing it.

I doubt that any bus chassis would be so fragile (maybe except when a bus tumbles off a highway or a Coaster or a Rosa). Do remember that the doors are just supported by one pole.

Eh no, given the age of the bus, they would most probably salvage it and put it back into service, just that repairing it would take time.

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