KUB Vs OC500

last SG · 2008-12-21T18:14:07+00:00

Makes me wonder why your username is of a KUB.....Contradiction?

SBS7484P SG

I wish to point out one stuff, SMRT buses had thighter schedules, so can choing, u want BC tio demerit points? Anyway, if you take certain KUB, it ran at 60kph, if you had not experience KUB speed, do not say it is slow........

not slow. its acceleration just feels lackluster in experience.

engine vibrates hard when revved over 1600rpm or so.

dont see e same happening to B9 engines or rather, the famously high revving O405 engines, just for comparison.

OC500's dont vibrate nearly that much at the higher rpm's.

the KUB's torque is efficient from 1100-1500rpm but beyond that, it drops sharply and the engine vibrates hard.

SBS n SMRT SG

not slow. its acceleration just feels lackluster in experience.

engine vibrates hard when revved over 1600rpm or so.

dont see e same happening to B9 engines or rather, the famously high revving O405 engines, just for comparison.

OC500's dont vibrate nearly that much at the higher rpm's.

the KUB's torque is efficient from 1100-1500rpm but beyond that, it drops sharply and the engine vibrates hard.

okay...but sometimes KUB can be smooth.....BC need to be familar with the bus.....but for tdy i take a really slow KUB on 69....run 25-30 kph

SBS7484P SG

okay...but sometimes KUB can be smooth.....BC need to be familar with the bus.....but for tdy i take a really slow KUB on 69....run 25-30 kph

119 KUB lor..

mostly the drivers drive them real slowly..

not only KUB. most of the time, any bus on 119 in the afternoon or early evenings, uber leisurely speed.

lifelikedrama SG

119 KUB lor..

mostly the drivers drive them real slowly..

not only KUB. most of the time, any bus on 119 in the afternoon or early evenings, uber leisurely speed.

It's true. 119 has 7 buses running and the frequency is so long, plus the journey is short. All the BCs take they're time to drive

SBS n SMRT SG

119 KUB lor..

mostly the drivers drive them real slowly..

not only KUB. most of the time, any bus on 119 in the afternoon or early evenings, uber leisurely speed.

too much time

SMRT BUSES LuvER SG

Jus nw i took 59S on 75, passengers packed to the brim, & as the bus moves from the bus stop, ppl screamed. 2 ppl (who were standing at the back) fell down but BC dun care lol..

Raraken SG

I didnt know a bus' rpm is around the same as that of a car.

Depends on the engine. Some engines can go to as high as 3050rpm. I estimated 2200 cause it sounded like when I took SMB46D on 167. I think the driver was late and I looked at the Tacho, slightly higher than 2000rpm.

Scania N113CRB luver SG

All diesel engines above 5 or 7 litres have less than 2300rpm of engine speed. Only smaller diesel engines like taxi's can go up to 5000rpm.

NoobBOY SG

Just asking, which bus got more Horsepower? The KUB or OC500? I'm a bus noob here

lifelikedrama SG

Just asking, which bus got more Horsepower? The KUB or OC500? I'm a bus noob here

I think it's the OC. OC's HP i think is 299 and KUBs are 230

Powered_By_CNG SG

The OC 500 LEs have 299 PS, the K230UBs as suggested by their designation have 230 PS.

The OM 457 hLA engine has a rated speed of 2000rpm so governed speed will be slightly higher in the region of 2100-2200rpm. The M 447 hLAG gas engine is governed to 2340rpm.

The DC9 engine is also governed to a little over 2000rpm, but the electronic engine management will rarely allow the engine to operate to these speeds.

Regards,
Dave

AEW5001 SG

Jus nw i took 59S on 75, passengers packed to the brim, & as the bus moves from the bus stop, ppl screamed. 2 ppl (who were standing at the back) fell down but BC dun care lol..

dont blame me for not caring others but

what for scream?

ZYX2005 SG

Hi all

I prefer the OC500LE (Aka orcs (for those who dig WarCraft or DOTA) , OCs, Oh 500 )

Dun fancy Scania K2304X2UB ( Aka K230UB, KUB, Scarn-niah, Singapore 5th gen Scanaiz...)

heres why,

Looks
OC: Like the Capacity front. Just wished the medal-like Merc logo part cna be accentuauted with more glassed area to enhance the Mercedes 3 point star in its plith medal hanging style.. Bascially convert front area of blackness to full Capapcity bodywork style. The SMRTbus lofgo should be moved to bottem left to improve the look of the bus front.

On comparison without the painted V part, the bus does into somewhat look like a Citaro gen 2 front with its cruved edge big front window area and the plith concept of Mercedes for housing their 3 point star.

KUB: I dun fancy the front. Not really Omnnicity. some say it is but i dun see the resmebblance. Still smiley front are brighten the day and the KUB do look nice

OC wins because of closeness to other Merc orginal bodywork products.

riding the bus:
OC - kinda jerky with the disc brakes. however Mercedes retarders are world reknowned and a ride on SMB4 of 851 proved the usefulness of a WORKING retarder. The SL manged to start braking for a trafwick light from 500m out. he basically lifted his foot of the pedal and let the bus roll,

As usual the gear lock happened but not as jerky as a KUB. then the retarder kicked in. This brought the bus to an almost full stop, the bus was still moving on at 4km/h with SL not doing anything, the NBS of Mercedes then kicked right in, forcing the bus to a gentle stop. I have never had NBS kick in while bus was going 2km/h so it was a real cool effect and treat for me.

OC slowing down assisted technologies - A+

The OC do still have a slight jerk when shifting gears, but not as jerky. Probably a right bodywork of Gemilang to use so bus not too heavy or light for engine power. Not much rattling for some squeaking can be heard but who says Mercs Citaros dun squeak and rattle either...

KUB: this one ahh u know lah. like many of u have mntioned.
OC wins

Noise level
OC - tend to be quiet when idle such that u hear air-con whizzing sound only. But the hypoids when at 6th gear are rather irritating. Wished they were hubs instead.

KUB: engine fan loud. Hypoid at 6th loud. Not very civilised for a Scannia product. I would however note that Scania engines are world reknown to be quiet. Does S'Pore KUB live up to the Scania brand?

OC wins

accleration-
OC: vs KUB: as dave emntioned 299PS vs 230PS , i daresay mec wins. however a cautious driver drivng an OC will leave the engine humming rather stressfully with funny pitches, which happens on jammed roads. Causes weird gut sensations for me.

This means the bus move well at higher rpm ranges which can be hit at higher speeds. the full out chiong OC will illusatrate the lovely engine hum pitch. However Sl's shd be cautiuos as to where and when to full out chiong the OC, much braking is needed on these Singapore congested roads if one dares to chiong.

The Sl will have to know when to brake and brake fast but gently using disc brakes. In some cases the retarder will have not helped much at all. OCs really do cruise at 60km.h and it is hard to bring the bus to a stop in a graceful manner.

the KUb hum pitch hits even ptich at lower speeds but it leaves me frsutrated that the bus is going 60km/h but displaying signs of a 120km./ kind of low engine hum like a K124EB. dun feel the power. 230PS mah...like that lor.. 230PS however it IS highly optimal on Singapore congested roads. so right choice of 230HP. however when one needs the rush, you can't have it.

OC: wins because i like my adrenalin supply on such fast rides.l..ike the rush.....hahah.

Engine sound - down to the basic engine
OC - kind of MAN like but mixed with Scania L113CRLsound. sounds very close to a Citaro due to engine specs and i luv Citaros.

KUB - typcial Scania. however the 5th series engine sound too Neoplan ish (a well maintained NeoPlan) For Scania i prefer 4th series engine sounds. meanning i dun dig 5th series scannia engines.

So OC wins.

Overall - OC wins

ZYX

SBS n SMRT SG

Hi all

I prefer the OC500LE (Aka orcs (for those who dig WarCraft or DOTA) , OCs, Oh 500 )

Dun fancy Scania K2304X2UB ( Aka K230UB, KUB, Scarn-niah, Singapore 5th gen Scanaiz...)

heres why,

KUB: I dun fancy the front. Not really Omnnicity. some say it is but i dun see the resmebblance. Still smiley front are brighten the day and the KUB do look nice

OC wins because of closeness to other Merc orginal bodywork products.

OC: wins because i like my adrenalin supply on such fast rides.l..ike the rush.....hahah.

So OC wins.

Overall - OC wins

ZYX

Nice analysis, well done, all i had to say had been said by you except

1. I wish the merc badge could be implemented on the sterring wheel instead of a stick

OT: A KUB BC attemped to race with a OC500LE SL, BC choing a little, SL slow down and make gap big big, den SL start accerlating and overtake the KUB in seconds, wonderful OC500LE speed.

SMRT BUSES LuvER SG

I took SMB58U on 307 & i felt i was like in a coach bus! Only thing the aircon was super frezzy.. Guess wat? I looked at the driver's aircon control & it was like 17 Celsius. Ill go 'brrr' once evry 1min.. -.- Surprisingly when it hits 60km/h at Teck Whye Lane, i didnt experience any vibration in the bus unlike the KUB.. I really luv the sound of the disc brake when it stops, smth like u hear whenever u get into a car.

nenepokey SG

Hi all

I prefer the OC500LE (Aka orcs (for those who dig WarCraft or DOTA) , OCs, Oh 500 )

Dun fancy Scania K2304X2UB ( Aka K230UB, KUB, Scarn-niah, Singapore 5th gen Scanaiz...)

heres why,

KUB: I dun fancy the front. Not really Omnnicity. some say it is but i dun see the resmebblance. Still smiley front are brighten the day and the KUB do look nice

OC wins because of closeness to other Merc orginal bodywork products.

OC: wins because i like my adrenalin supply on such fast rides.l..ike the rush.....hahah.

So OC wins.

Overall - OC wins

ZYX

not bad not bad...the review owns! OC pwnage!

tvcnq SG

Speaking of the braking, the kub's brake really CMI. I took 8034 on 174 last week. The bus slowed down until abt 5km/h two car lengths from the traffic light. The BC was trying to bring the bus to a stop gently cos I can feel the slight braking. However, the bus continued rolling on until the BC couldnt take it and slammed on the brakes. There was a big jerk - and the bus stopped barely before the traffic light.

16/f/lonely SG

Across the board, you should expect stronger jerks from the ZF6 buses at:

Lock-up. (duh)

Transition from 5th to 4th.

Strangely all these manifest strongest in the K230s. Could be due to how much the engine resists sudden changes in the load transmitted to the engine.

TIB537B SG

Hi all

I prefer the OC500LE (Aka orcs (for those who dig WarCraft or DOTA) , OCs, Oh 500 )

Dun fancy Scania K2304X2UB ( Aka K230UB, KUB, Scarn-niah, Singapore 5th gen Scanaiz...)

heres why,

KUB: I dun fancy the front. Not really Omnnicity. some say it is but i dun see the resmebblance. Still smiley front are brighten the day and the KUB do look nice

OC wins because of closeness to other Merc orginal bodywork products.

Ya you are right about the converting the front area of blackness below the windscreen to full Capapcity bodywork style. It'll look pretty mean /cool with more blacks in the front (tribute to the Habits's front). Later can rival 8030L XD

ZYX2005 SG

Frogot one thing..

the Scania electronic leveling suspension system seems to kick in too late. It's like when you baord the bus already, tapped your brand new CEPAS card and start moving then the bus suddenly goes up and down...

The OC however seldom does that. Note the OC leveling can go in all directions, hence the jellylike sensation. The KUB somehow only up and down...

ZYX

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