SBST Future buses

SBS2695H SG

What do you think SBST might buy in future?

I got this from http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/219154?page=2

Volvo B10BLE/Volgren/ZF (1688K): $290,494/=
Volvo B10BLE-CNG/Volgren/ZF (2988M): $392,935/=
Volvo B10BLE-CNG/Volgren/ZF (2989K): $345,601/=
Volvo B10M Mk II/WA+DM/ZF: $170k - $185k
Volvo B10M Mk III/DM/Voith: $179,359 - $205,089
Volvo B10M Mk IV/DM/Voith (882Y): $194,473
Volvo B10M Mk IV/DM/Voith: $176,792 - $177,183
Volvo B10M Mk IV/DM/ZF: $190k - $205k
Volvo B10M Mk IV/WA Strider/ZF: $175k - $190k
Volvo B10M Mk IV/DM 3500/Voith (2689B-2788Z): $190k - $200k
Volvo B10M Mk IV/DM 3500/Voith (2789X-2838M): $182,317 - $182,327
Volvo B10M-70 Mk IV 14.5m/DM (997A): $204,810/=
Volvo B10MA-60 Mk IV/DM/ZF (998Y): $286,611/=
MB O.405GN/Volgren/ZF (999U): $455,348/=
Volvo Olympian 2-axle/WA/Voith: $235k - $240k
Volvo Olympian 3-axle/WA/ZF (9200G-9400X): ~$290k
Volvo Olympian 3-axle/WA/ZF (9401T-9596P): $295k - $315k
Volvo Olympian 3-axle/WA/ZF (9597L-9670K): $339,382 - $372,560
Volvo B10TL 3-axle/Volgren/Voith (9800A-9849K except 9810X): $398,355/=
Volvo B10TL 3-axle/Volgren Australia/Voith (9810X): $389,944/= (cheaper than other VSOs)
Volvo B10TL 3-axle/WA/ZF (9888Y): $464,374/=
Leyland Olympian 3-axle/WA/ZF: ~$300k
MB O405 OAC/WA/MB: $210k - $230k
MB O405 OAC/DM/MB: $200k - $225k
MB O405 OAC/DM/Voith: $200k - $215k
MB O405 NAC+CAC/DM/MB: $170k - $188k
Scania N113CRB OAC/WA/Voith: $200k - $205k
Scania N113CRB NAC+CAC/WA/Voith: $180k - $185k
Scania L94UB/Volgren/ZF (2888T): $152,737/=
Dennis Trident/DM 5000/Voith (9671E-9689E): ~$364k
Dennis Trident/DM 5000/Voith (9690A): $377,815/=
Dennis Dart/DM: ~$168k

Right now, the have 500 K230s at about 300K each. They could have Volvo B10BLEs $290, 494 each which are cheaper and better.

Volvo B10TL 3-axle/Volgren/Voith (9800A-9849K except 9810X): $398,355/=
Volvo B10TL 3-axle/Volgren Australia/Voith (9810X): $389,944/= (cheaper than other VSOs)

I wonder why don't they buy more Australia assembled ones which are cheaper. Then their workshop don't need to assemble themselves.

150 new Volvo B9TL Superbuses - $71 million
1 Volvo B9TL - $473, 333.333333333 aka $475k(round up)

Why is a B9TL more expensive then a B10TL?

tintinspartan SG

I do have a shock that the L94UB is cheap.

But the K230UBs are ok to me, but B10BLE (Diesel) I think it's outdated at the time SBST consider buying. But, I would suggest SBST order more B7RLE as I personally think that SBS8030L is better than the K230UBs after all, except to implement a few changes to the seating arrangment at the rear and Soon Chow to build the bodywork since I like the interior, and I bet all other busfans would agree on it (except for the rear seat).

^tamago^ SG

I don't know why locally assembled VSO's turn out to be more expensive but probably something unusual happened in the assembly process, since it should be cheaper. Probably it only happened to the VSO's. Another thing is, they probably also want to give some jobs to local bus assembling industries (not necessarily only CDGE BA/HG).

What do you think SBST might buy in future?

Right now, the have 500 K230s at about 300K each. They could have Volvo B10BLEs $290, 494 each which are cheaper and better.

Why is a B9TL more expensive then a B10TL?

One word says it all: Inflation. Every new bus now will cost $300k+ for SD's and $400k+ for DD's. Even if the B10BLE is being offered now (since it is already discontinued), it can never cost that cheap anymore.

The L94UB could be a special case of a discount offered by Scania.

lemon1974 SG

that B10BLE price was 10 years ago price lah. If u compare the prices of B10BLE against DM3500 at that time, then it is 100K more expensive.

As for the VSO, i think the price included the shipping charges, and from Australia to S'pore is cheaper than from Europe to Singapore, if i am not wrong. Thus there is a slight difference.

L94UB is a demostrator ,thus Scania should be offering some special discount.

Do you know that the B7RLE (8030) cost only S$200K mah. 100K cheaper than Scania.

and i foresee more argument later on in this thread.. just like what happen in the MAN/B7RLE/Scania threads.

SBS9888Y SG

my 9888 so ex wor.

Oceane SG

my 9888 so ex wor.

And your 9888 bodied by... WA??

Walter Alexander huh... o_O

SBS2695H SG

And your 9888 bodied by... WA??

Walter Alexander huh... o_O

I don't know why the source says that 9888Y is bodies by WA. If I'm not wrong, I believe 9888Y is bodied by an older version of Volgren.

SBS7484P SG

same version la. just that the production ones mod the design here and there abit.

nenepokey SG

I don't know why the source says that 9888Y is bodies by WA. If I'm not wrong, I believe 9888Y is bodied by an older version of Volgren.

same Volgren, but different series, i think

^tamago^ SG

9888Y is definitely Volgren. Looks like a typo. Confused

^tamago^ SG

Anyway, if you want to discuss about bus acquisition, please consider the current list price and also bulk/contractual discounts….. Now I feel like we’re comparing apples and oranges.

16/f/lonely SG

882Y is definitely not voith!

Oceane SG

882Y is definitely not voith!

Definitely. =D ZF.

sBs_boy SG

Do you know that the B7RLE (8030) cost only S$200K mah. 100K cheaper than Scania.

Bro,

Volvo B7RLE does not belongs to SBS Transit. The bus belongs to Volvo. Volvo only lend the bus to SBS Transit for evaluation. Even if there is any major problem with the bus, SBST cannot do anything to the bus but they have to send the bus back to Volvo or Soon Chow for maintanance. The same applies to 8033.

SBS n SMRT SG

Some sidetrack,

SMRT must buy DDs to allow them to ease traffic.

All interchanges are DD friendly except for Yishun mah

SBS9888Y SG

Some sidetrack,

SMRT must buy DDs to allow them to ease traffic.

All interchanges are DD friendly except for Yishun mah

is not a must. they can survive without them but by buying mroe buses. i believe some of their depots cannot accomodate DDs

lemon1974 SG

Bro,

Bro,
in which part of my post, did i ever mention anything about the ownership of B7RLE? I am just pointing out the demostrator price only. If you know something, just reply to the topic. Need not quote my post and direct your reply to me if it is not related to me at all.
And in official records of LTA, 8030 is registered under SBST. Not under Volvo or whatever so even though Volvo may be responsible for the maintenance of the bus.

Oceane SG

is not a must. they can survive without them but by buying mroe buses. i believe some of their depots cannot accomodate DDs

Their AMDEP is struggling with the shortage of buses. All 'cos of the delay of the OC500LE. But I don't think that SMRT can still buy DDs yet. The Yishun INT project has been delayed for another 2-3 years and plus I think AMDEP has height restrictions for their buses.

SBS n SMRT SG

How about WLDEP and KJDEP, are they non-dd friendly

But INT wise, all should be ok except Yishun, BB/ CCK had DD in SBS era, SBW/BP is ok as open air parking, WL had DD now

Thanks for answering.

Actually, i feel that SMRT should buy more bendies if they hate or cannot buy DD, see Tibs last time almost 1 yr have one new bendies model

Volvo Olympian SG

How about WLDEP and KJDEP, are they non-dd friendly

All 3 SMRT depots are not DD friendly...