Services that needs/does not need certain buses

last SG · 2008-04-25T21:54:57+00:00

Can those ppl who are quarrelling please keep your mouth shut now? It pretty irritating to see arguements here and there..

SBS2695H SG

Service 89 brings majority of the passengers boarding from Changi Airport Cargo Complex to Hougang/Sengkang area, where they can link to other parts of the country.

Service 2 serves Changi Village which does not have a fixed density for passenger load.

Service 2 also serves the Chinatown area so it may have a high load when there's an event at Chinatown. But I think it would be good to have the Tridents on shorthaul services in HDB areas where there is not so much idling on the roads.

SBS9888Y SG

how about 52, 162, 410 getting S Shift ADDs? sin ming gang.

any views.

service_238 SG

I didnt know HDB areas have no traffic lights.

TIB1018B SG

how about 52, 162, 410 getting S Shift ADDs?

any views.

Service 410 ever had NAC DDs in the past, followed by a VSO in 2005, but not for now anymore

SBS9888Y SG

Service 410 ever had NAC DDs in the past, followed by a VSO in 2005, but not for now anymore

should they get? seen 410s packed to door often.

dfs24 SG

Service 89 brings majority of the passengers boarding from Changi Airport Cargo Complex to Hougang/Sengkang area, where they can link to other parts of the country.

Service 2 serves Changi Village which does not have a fixed density for passenger load.

Seems like you still don't get my point. Let me give you numbers to work with. Assuming that Sv89 brings in $200 per DD slot in a day. Assuming that Sv2 brings in $150 per DD slot in a day. So as to make things simple, we will assume that SBST only operates one DD slot on Sv89 and one DD slot on Sv2 in a day, and SBST has a fleet of 1 VO3X and 1 Trident. So now, let's say it cost SBST $50 to run the trident on Sv89, and it cost SBST $40 to run the VO3X on Sv89. For service 2, it cost SBST $55 to run the trident on it and again, $40 to run the VO3X on it. This is because the route Sv89 travels on is more suitable for the Trident. Thus what SBST will do is to put the Trident on a route which cost less to run, in this case Sv89. The pax load on either service does not matter because at the end of the day, the revenue is $350. And the cost would be $90, compared to $95 if the trident was to carry out Sv2, and the VO3X on Sv89.

Oceane SG

How are you able to assume that Service 2 and Service 89 brings in the same revenue per day?

89 is more suitable I do agree, because it runs on the expressways.

Oceane SG

how about 52, 162, 410 getting S Shift ADDs? sin ming gang.

any views.

52 is a must get one. Mostly by the time Service 52 turns into Bishan ST 22 the bus would be packed with people heading West. I suppose the most affected ones are those with SLBP timings between the time frame of 8am, 10am, 12am, 2pm...

dfs24 SG

How are you able to assume that Service 2 and Service 89 brings in the same revenue per day?

89 is more suitable I do agree, because it runs on the expressways.

The vaule of the revenue here is not important. What I wanted to show is that the revenue is constant. It does not matter if they bring in the same amount of money a day, or if Sv2 brings in more than Sv89, or if Sv89 brings in more than Sv2. My point is still stands.

Oceane SG

If revenues for services are constant, why do SBST withdraw certain services?

16/f/lonely SG

If revenues for services are constant, why do SBST withdraw certain services?

It is not the revenue per svc that remains constant, but the net revenue that ALL svcs bring forth is what counts.

So revenue is not the reason why tridents stay on 89 but rather the operating costs. While profit is indeed a reason, it is more because of the cost component in the profit rather than the revenue part that lends more weight to the argument.

Oceane SG

It is not the revenue per svc that remains constant, but the net revenue that ALL svcs bring forth is what counts.

Its the major factor. But we cannot rule out revenue too.

89 uses Tridents so freely because it uses the TPE to get to CGACC, which Tridents are capable of speeding.

16/f/lonely SG

Its the major factor. But we cannot rule out revenue too.

89 uses Tridents so freely because it uses the TPE to get to CGACC, which Tridents are capable of speeding.

But consider this:

Wouldn't it be that even if trident and VO swop for say 89 and 74, the number of passengers at the end of the day would still remain equal for both svcs? Both being DDs, let's leave out SDs for the time being.

So revenue is not a main factor but operating cost is, subject to traffic conditions.

Although I also believe cost factors are not major factors in type deployment unless the difference in costs become too great to ignore which I believe can hence be overlooked in most cases.

Simple_boi SG

Its the major factor. But we cannot rule out revenue too.

89 uses Tridents so freely because it uses the TPE to get to CGACC, which Tridents are capable of speeding.

Is it? Then how about my Sv62 Trident and 997A?

SBS2695H SG

I didnt know HDB areas have no traffic lights.

Of course there are traffic lights but there are not so many vehicles on the roads in HDB areas so the bus can travel at normal speed when not at a traffic light.

dfs24 SG

If revenues for services are constant, why do SBST withdraw certain services?

Simple. This is because they are constantly LOW. The revenue on such services are constantly below cost.

dfs24 SG

But consider this:

So revenue is not a main factor but operating cost is, subject to traffic conditions.

Although I also believe cost factors are not major factors in type deployment unless the difference in costs become too great to ignore which I believe can hence be overlooked in most cases.

Bingo. You got what I was trying to say.

service_238 SG

Of course there are traffic lights but there are not so many vehicles on the roads in HDB areas so the bus can travel at normal speed when not at a traffic light.

I didnt know everyone in HDB areas take public transport. And no parent fetch their kids to school by car.

off_service SG

I don't know why you people are arguing over this matter. Let me put it in a VERY simple way:

Each factor has its impact over another factor and all these factors will in turn affect the decision of the bus companies which we have no idea how they came to it unless you are one of them. In short they are all related. These are strategic decisions which you and I won't know unless any of us is part of the management.

And I doubt any management level staff will be stupid enough to leak company confidential information here.

sv966 SG

I was wondering how arrangements were made when service 170 was officially converted from a NAC to a FAC service in November 2001

They started doing the modifications on the MK3s way in advance, then put them as spares running on routes like 16 and 33 and many others. When the time finally came for 170 to go FAC, it was followed by a massive flooding of these ex-170 MK2s to various depots e.g AM/BRAM. Even services like 155 got them too!

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