Easiest to drive

last SG · 2007-02-14T10:30:05+00:00

Ya me too...I love the VSO (B10TL) only for its suspension, super soft! However the Voith gearbox makes it crawl in acceleration..But its still a nice bus, e...

Scania SG

Please state the correct model, there are L113CRBs around but their rear overhang are like those of the L113CRLs. please state N113CRBs to avoid confusion.

Scania N113CRB luver SG

Opps sorry. I used my slang..

Yarh i meant the N113CRBs of SBST. Does the N113CRBs have a shorter rear overhang? The rear overhang seems really short to me as compared with other SD buses.

SBS1985C SG

Yes Mr. Green . But 161 sometimes got Mercz Cameo Laughing

Proven Guilty. Embarassed

SBS1985C SG

This demands a separate post from the previous one.

I thought I could end it earlier. Oh well... Let Me Rephrase.

Feeder. A Short Route that usually consists of many stops.
Trunk. A Fairly Long Route that usually consists of many stops.
Premium. An Express service that consists of some stops before and after an
Express sector.

Haizz... I knew you were going to say Mercz are better than Scania.
So Let me Say again. The Only Reason That I Could Think Of Is That Scanias Costs Much More Than O405s. However, lately, more New Scanias have popped up as private buses/ coaches

SLBP consists of Mainly O405. So they will naturally appear on almost ALL SLBP Controlled services. (Including Express).-Posted Before.

36 is BNDEP controlled services. No Mercz. 66 has perm O405. 105 has perm O405.

P.S. Whats so bad about a MK III? Mercz are found Almost everywhere as they
are the 2nd largest SD Bus Model in SBST Fleet. Losing only to the B10Ms.

chickenlittle2 SG

Originally posted by SBS1985C:
This demands a separate post from the previous one.

I thought I could end it earlier. Oh well... Let Me Rephrase.

Feeder. A Short Route that usually consists of many stops.
Trunk. A Fairly Long Route that usually consists of many stops.
Premium. An Express service that consists of some stops before and after an
Express sector.

Haizz... I knew you were going to say Mercz are better than Scania.
So Let me Say again. [b] The Only Reason That I Could Think Of Is That Scanias Costs Much More Than O405s. However, lately, more New Scanias have popped up as private buses/ coaches

SLBP consists of Mainly O405. So they will naturally appear on almost ALL SLBP Controlled services. (Including Express).-Posted Before.

36 is BNDEP controlled services. No Mercz. 66 has perm O405. 105 has perm O405.

P.S. Whats so bad about a MK III? Mercz are found Almost everywhere as they
are the 2nd largest SD Bus Model in SBST Fleet. Losing only to the B10Ms.

[/b]

R u very sure that express services have less stops. Just like Express 502 and 518 for instance! They are loop services. Definitely it would had also comparable stops towards the trunk svcs! R u sure feeder svc had lots of stops?? Mm.. try svc 181 or svc 284?

Like wat I said earlier, SBST should had brought more scania at that time instead of mercz if they are gd like wat u say. Mm..unlikely, they bought more mercz ! There must be reasons behind it!

So what if scania maybe more expensive? (BTW, got prove anot that it is more Ex then mercz! u got buy any bus before? u know the price?) Like what u say, new scania on coach but looks like SBST brought more newer volvo and not scania. Even SMRT brought Mercz!

chickenlittle2 SG

Mm.. I just dun really like MK3.. More importantly their sits arrangement and leaking problem also piss me off! I like strider and DM 3500! I do take MK3, if not how I would complain that it was not very gd! Hello, I always take svc 99 and svc 197. I think got MK3 on these svcs hor?

By the way, r u that idiot who changed SBS 9012H from SLBP to BRBP in sgwiki? U caused a big trouble!

SBS9806J SG

Shall both of you stop this argument?

off_service SG

The types of services are classified according to their fares:

Flat Fare: Feeder / Industrial services

Distance-Related Fares: Trunk services

Premium Fares: Express / FastForward / Bus Plus Premium services

If I did not remember wrongly, last time there's a classification by journey distance. Can anyone confirm?

Windy_hates_B10TLs SG

And here you are walking around like you are an expert...

L113CRB and L113CRL are the same length. This is because they are the same chassis, just one is a low floor citybus, the other is a stepped entrance citybus. N113CRB/CRLs have a longitudinally-mounted engine (east-west or horizontally opposed or "boxer" as they are also known). They can be adapted to have a shorter rear overhang so the chassi can be used in a double deck configuration (the N113DRB).

Windy_hates_B10TLs SG

WTF are u talking about??? 11977 would be indicative of the engine displacement. The OM447h/OM447ha/OM447hLA engines are of11.977L in capacity.

Windy_hates_B10TLs SG

I know of 12.4m O.405s, and also 13.2m O.405s (which I have seen in Melbourne, Australia).

iveco SG

Can't really say. Svc 51 got Merc Cameo from SLBP.

iveco SG

I call them 12L engines. Laughing

Scania N113CRB luver SG

Excuse me, N113CRBs have transverse-mounted engines, with vertical engines , hence the first letter N . L113CRL/CRBs have longitudinal mounted engines, therefore the letter L. N denotes transverse placement, L denotes longitudinal placement.

AND! Transverse is the placement of the engine, not the position of the engine pistons. Wink Unless you are talking about different things, otherwise dont confuse the two things together. Horizontal engines can have both longitudinal and tranverse placements. For e.g., the B9TL have vertical engines, but engine placement is transverse . B10Ms have horizontal engines, but engine placement is longitudinal.

As far as i know, Scania doesnt manufacture horizontally opposed engines. Manufacturers that pioneers horizontal diesel engines for buses are Renault, Mercedes and Volvo, just to list some.

Windy_hates_B10TLs SG

Transverse/horizontally opposed/longitudinal are the same.

Allow me to quote from a source of info which I wrote myself and have posted in a number of different forums regarding chassis designations.

SCANIA:

Note: MOST Scania chassis have rear mounted engines, there are very few mid mounted underfloor examples)

The prefix applies to how the engine is mounted.

L = Vertically mounted engine, tilted 30 degrees to the left (not sure how it is tilted as such)
K = Vertically mounted engine
N = vertically mounted engine, horizontally opposed (east-west mounted)
F = front engined, vertically mounted.
I'm sure there are others, so please help.

These are the digits which signify the engine capacity (or engine output), and follow immediately after the prefix.

9 = 9 litre engine (from 1st to 4th series)
11 = 11 litre engine (from 1st to 4th series)
12 = 12 litre engine (from 4th series)
230 = 230PS engine (from 5th series - 9 litre 5 cylinder engine)
270 = 270PS engine (from 5th series - 9 litre 5 cylinder engine)
310 = 310PS engine (from 5th series - 9 litre 5 cylinder engine)
340 = 340PS engine (from 5th series - 12 litre 5 cylinder engine)
380 = 380PS engine (from 5th series - 12 litre 5 cylinder engine)
420 = 420PS engine (from 5th series - 12 litre 5 cylinder engine)

The following digits, which follow the engine capacity indicate the series

1 = 1st series
2 = 2nd series
3 = 3rd series
4 = 4th series

The suffixes inidicate the chassis type, and other extra details.

CRB = standard/city floor height with stepped entry (1st to 3rd series)
CRL = low floor chassis (1st to 3rd series)
ARB = standard floor height articulated chassis (1st to 3rd series)
ARL = low floor articulated chassis (1st to 3rd series)
TRB = extended chassis (1st to 3rd series)

For the above, the second letter indicates where the driving controls are situated.
R = Right hand drive
L = Left hand drive

UB = low floor chassis (4th and 5th series)
UA = low floor articulated (4th and 5th series)
IB = "intercity" height chassis with stepped entry (4th and 5th series)
EB = touring chassis? (4th and 5th series)

The 5th series also include a further designation for the IB series where you have:

Wheel Configuration (source: Scania website)

4x2 = 2 axle vehicle with drive on one axle
6x2 = tri-axle vehicle with drive on one rear axle. One tag axle without drive infront of drive axle.
6x2/2 = tri-axle vehicle with drive on one rear axle. One tag axle without drive in front of the drive axle. Used to designate articulated buses.
6x2*4 = tri-axle vehicle with drive on one rear axle. One steered tag axle without drive behind drive axle

Chassis height

These suffixes denotes what kind of floor height is "married" to the chassis, which is denoted by the prefix. It only applies to the 5th series of Scania chassis. A further designation applies to the 5th series

E = Extra Low
L = Low (low front and normal rear)
M = Low (low front and middle, normal rear), articulated
N = Normal (normal front and rear)

Ok, now the examples.

K94IB = vertically mounted, 9 litre motor, 4th series chassis, intercity floor chassis
N113ARB = horizontally opposed vertically mounted 11 litre motor, articulated standard/city floor chassis
L113TRB = vertically mounted 11 litre motor tilted 30 degrees to the left on an extended chassis
K380IB4x2NB = Vertical 380PS engine with a multipurpose chassis for long and short distances and with normal drive and ride comfort without the special adaptation. It is a 2 axle chassis with a normal floor level throughout the chassis and full air suspension.
K420EB6x2*4LI = Vertical 420PS engine with a chassis for long distance travel and high drive and ride comfort. Chassis has no special afaptation, and has 3 axles, with a steered tag axle behind the drive axle. The coach may aslo be built with a low boarding step and a low floor from the front up to the rear axle. This type of coach is also built with a normal floor level throughout (denoted by the "N", and the chassis is fully air-suspended with independant front suspension.
N310UA6x2/2EB = Transverse engine with 310PS, articulated citybus chassis. Has 3 axles, with a non-steered axle infront of the drive axle. Low floor throughout the length of the bus (denoted by the "E") and the chassis is fully air-suspended.

Further info can be seen on this link: http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=481

If you would like to challenge me on other technical info, please feel free to do so, and I promise you that I will be able to back my facts up with info from spec sheets, of which I have many in my posession through my work.

iveco SG

Hmm just curious as to whether you have any Cummins spec sheets in your possession. Surprised

SBS1985C SG

Let me rephrase. Frequency of Stops.

Reason. Scania is MORE EXPENSIVE than O405. How many reason you want?
In standard they are comparable.

You browse through this forum and z14. You will see how much it cost for a Scania Bus. SMRT as of now still havent buy any buses. TIBS bought them. Wink
However, both fleets have Scania and I have to say O405 in SMRT fleet are better than Scania of SMRT fleet Laughing

stooper SG

Ermm... You better check your OWN facts. The SBS & SMRT Mercs have a capacity of 11967cc.

The 11977cm is the length of the SBST N113CRBs. Rolling Eyes

stooper SG

Industrial svc aren't actually flat fare. They are like trunk svcs but have a cap on the maximum fare.

SBS351M SG

Wah lao battleground ah all the chickenlittle, Scania N113CRB luver, Scania, Windy Hates B10TLs, SBS1985C and clone 1984E and the SBS9806J suspect for editing the wikipedia thing all fighting for nothing is it? Ai ya don’t need fight, SBS bus suck is suck one. TIBS bus is the best one.

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