Princess Elizabeth Estate

iveco SG

This estate (now gone) used to have a bus terminal. Where was it exactly located? I have been there and seen a large carpark, but no facility for buses to park. Svcs 173 & 193 used to start from there in the past. Any idea how did 193 operate? Was it superceded by 185? I remember 173 used to go to Orchard Rd. Took it from Orchard Emerald to People’s Park ages ago.

The_Bus_Guide SG

According to the 1988 Street Directory, Princess Elizabeth Terminal was located along Princess Elizabeth Dr, between Blks 21 and 16. According to the 2003 Street Directory, the said location is next to the Red Cross Home for The Disabled.

I've never seen the terminal myself but its probably just an elongated bus stop, similar to Ghim Moh or MacPherson Terminal. Services which used to go there were 173 and 193. Routes below are form the 1989-90 Bus Guide.

173: New Bridge Road Princess Elizabeth
New Bridge Rd Ter, Eu Tong Sen St, Hill St, Stamford Rd, Orchard Rd, Penang Rd, Somerset Rd, Grange Rd, Orchard Blvd, Paterson Rd, Scotts Rd, Stevens Rd, Bt Timah Rd, Upp Bt Timah Rd, Hill View Rd, Hill View Ave, Jln Remaja, Jln Batu Nilam, Princess Elizabeth Dr and Princess Elizabeth Ter.

Princess Elizabeth Ter, Princess Elizabeth Dr, Jln Batu Nilam, Jln Remaja, Hill View Ave, Hill View Rd, Upp Bt Timah Rd, Jln Anak Bt, Dunearn Rd, Stevens Rd, Scotts Rd, Orchard Rd, Bras Basah Rd, Nth Bridge Rd, Sth Bridge Rd, Neil Rd, Eu Tong Sen St and New Bridge Rd Ter.

193: Princess Elizabeth Shenton Way
Princess Elizabeth Ter, Princess Elizabeth Dr, Hillview Ave, Bt Batok East Ave 2, Ave 6, Jln Jurong Kechil, Upp Bt Timah Rd, Bt Timah Link, Jln Anak Bt, Dunearn Rd, Farrer Rd, Queensway, Alexandra Rd, Ganges Ave, Havelock Rd, Upp Pickering St, Church St, Cecil St, Finlayson Green, Raffles Quay, Shenton Way, Palmer Rd and Shenton Way Ter.

Shenton Way Ter, Palmer Rd, Anson Rd, Robinson Rd, Cecil St, Cross St, Upp Cross St, Havelock Rd, Ganges Ave, Alexandra Rd, Queensway, Farrer Rd, Bt Timah Rd, Upp Bt Timah Rd, Jln Jurong Kechil, Bt Batok East Ave 6, Ave 2, Hillview Ave, Princess Elizabeth Dr and Princess Elizabeth Ter.

Before 1988, 193 went to Prince Edward Terminal. It's interesting that the desto would read Princess Elizabeth - Prince Edward. Royal service, sia! Question is, who were Princess Elizabeth and Prince Edward?

iveco SG

Got Blk 21? I thought there were only 16 blocks in this estate. Don't tell me Princess Elizabeth and Hillview estates were seperate. Aren't these 2 names referring to the same place?

Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:
I've never seen the terminal myself but its probably just an elongated bus stop, similar to Ghim Moh or MacPherson Terminal. Services which used to go there were 173 and 193. Routes below are form the 1989-90 Bus Guide.

[b]173: New Bridge Road Princess Elizabeth
New Bridge Rd Ter, Eu Tong Sen St, Hill St, Stamford Rd, Orchard Rd, Penang Rd, Somerset Rd, Grange Rd, Orchard Blvd, Paterson Rd, Scotts Rd, Stevens Rd, Bt Timah Rd, Upp Bt Timah Rd, Hill View Rd, Hill View Ave, Jln Remaja, Jln Batu Nilam, Princess Elizabeth Dr and Princess Elizabeth Ter.

Princess Elizabeth Ter, Princess Elizabeth Dr, Jln Batu Nilam, Jln Remaja, Hill View Ave, Hill View Rd, Upp Bt Timah Rd, Jln Anak Bt, Dunearn Rd, Stevens Rd, Scotts Rd, Orchard Rd, Bras Basah Rd, Nth Bridge Rd, Sth Bridge Rd, Neil Rd, Eu Tong Sen St and New Bridge Rd Ter.

193: Princess Elizabeth Shenton Way
Princess Elizabeth Ter, Princess Elizabeth Dr, Hillview Ave, Bt Batok East Ave 2, Ave 6, Jln Jurong Kechil, Upp Bt Timah Rd, Bt Timah Link, Jln Anak Bt, Dunearn Rd, Farrer Rd, Queensway, Alexandra Rd, Ganges Ave, Havelock Rd, Upp Pickering St, Church St, Cecil St, Finlayson Green, Raffles Quay, Shenton Way, Palmer Rd and Shenton Way Ter.

Shenton Way Ter, Palmer Rd, Anson Rd, Robinson Rd, Cecil St, Cross St, Upp Cross St, Havelock Rd, Ganges Ave, Alexandra Rd, Queensway, Farrer Rd, Bt Timah Rd, Upp Bt Timah Rd, Jln Jurong Kechil, Bt Batok East Ave 6, Ave 2, Hillview Ave, Princess Elizabeth Dr and Princess Elizabeth Ter.[/b]

So I was right about 193. It's route is 75% of 185 before the rationalisation in January 1993. Was 185 introduced first or 193 withdrawn first?

Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:
Before 1988, 193 went to Prince Edward Terminal. It's interesting that the desto would read [b]Princess Elizabeth - Prince Edward. Royal service, sia! Question is, who were Princess Elizabeth and Prince Edward?[/b]

Princess Elizabeth was crowned queen of Britain in 1953. Prince Edward could be referring to her grandfather who abdicated in 1936 to marry a US divorcee. The current Prince Edward is her youngest son, who is also Earl of Wessex. Pity we have broken ties with the monarchy, if not we could have a condo project named Countess Park (in honour of Countess Sophie, wife of Edward). Laughing

tranquilice SG

When (and why) was Princess Elizabeth Dr renamed Elizabeth Dr?

There used to have an estate called Princess Elizabeth Park, between Elizabeth Dr and current Hillview estate. There were 24 blocks of lower storeys (Blk 1 to 24) in this estate while the neighbouring Hillview estate has 16 blocks (1 to 8 and 10 to 17, where is block 9?). Princess Elizabeth Park estate was demolished in the 90s.

Roads in Princess Elizabeth Park estate were Philip Walk, Clarence Walk, Prince Charles Rise and Princess Ann Hill. All these roads disappeared with the demolition of the estate.

tranquilice SG

According to the 1992 guide, service 185 plied between Choa Chu Kang and Shenton Way, while service 193 did not exist.

iveco SG

Block 9 Hillview Ave was never built. According to my friend, it was included in the original plans but the ground was unstable. Block 9 could not be built and instead, a large carpark took its place.

tranquilice SG

Were service 173 relocated to Bt Batok interchange when the terminal closed and shortened to Jln Anak Bt at the same time? Or the two events took place at different times?

tranquilice SG

Unstable? Confused How come?

iveco SG

I don't know. Anyway, that is HDB's problem. My friend is merely a long-time resident there.