Six Questions to Ask An Atheist

last SG · 2012-04-05T16:15:24+00:00

This is a very entertaining and logically sound read- unlike our Thread Starter. Introductory note: Russell delivered this lecture on March 6, 1927 to the Na...

BroInChrist SG

And why should you Christians mourn death? To you, life on earth is temporary and you are called home to be with the lord eternally. Why don't you be eager to leave this fallen world? How can you consistently say death is a curse?

Christians have every reason to see death as an enemy because that's what the Bible teaches. Death is a curse because that's what the Bible teaches. But I don't suppose you knew any of that. BTW, Jesus wept at Lazarus' tomb.

Yes, Christians mourn and grieve the death of loved ones. But we know that death is not the end for those who are in Christ. And I am sure you would like me to die sooner so the atheists can have a free run here ya? Don't worry, I'm not eager to die. I still got work to do on this forum! Somebody needs to stand up to your arguments, no matter how Neither does the Bible teach that we should all seek to die. We are live for Christ! In fact, don't you know that Christians "die to themselves" everyday? We are called to present ourselves to God as "living sacrifices". But then again I don't suppose you know what that means at all.

alize SG

In fact I wish you a long life here. For every person a Christian manages to convert, there are others who will be turned off. Your posts are a monument to flawed logic and serve this purpose nicely.

Tcmc SG

BIC

Actually, IF God's goodness IN HEAVEN is so INFINITELY GOOD, and being in god's presence is the BEST thing on earth, shouldn't christians wish to die earlier to be with god?

If you dont wanna die earlier, then arent you telling god that you want to delay being with him?

BroInChrist SG

BIC,

But to me your god seems to be a very bad planner with bad foresight. You mean he knew thousands of nonchristians will die every day and still he created everyone of us? And he knew that even wth his son dying, many people will still not believe because its nt convincing enough, yet he still did it....

And after he did so much, KNOWING his plans will FAIL still, many people still dont buy into his plans.

..? Failed?

Even as you type your "righteous sentences" here, BIC, remember, thousands of noncrhsitians are dying, young old babies, children.

You have a failed theology, Tcmc. You need someone to educate you with the right theology that you never had to begin with.

The Bible teaches that the original creation was PERFECT. There was no death. Death came about as a result of Adam's sin. That wasn't God's failure, it was Adam's failure to obey God's command. Did God foresee that? Of course He did. But read Revelation. Does that sound like God failed? Nope. In the end, those who kept the faith live with their Creator, while those who rebel against God are cast into eternal hell. God wins!

And why you worry about people dying? If you are truly that concerned, what are you doing about it? NOTHING. You should take more thought for the condition of your soul before you pretend to care for the souls of others.

BroInChrist SG

No, you are really quite dim. I am not trying to stir shit between the two religions.

I am trying to show you that EVERY religion claims to have the true god and true way.

Your religion is NOT superior as much as you want it to be!

You totally missed the point.

Why deny the obvious?

If you are saying that every religion makes exclusive claims, what's new? Even atheism makes exclusive claims. Atheism declares ALL religions to be false, be it Christianity, Islam or Buddhism.

BroInChrist SG

Except that this so-called "just God" would be an invention of your own mind.

Then he is unjust. For letting good non-Christians go to hell and bad Christians to enter heaven.

Simple as that.

Who told you that bad Christians go to heaven?

There are Christians who deny the faith, deny Christ, and go apostate. Example is Charles Templeton. I do not believe he is in heaven.

BroInChrist SG

I am not only questioning Flat Earth but also your logic.

Address the question about lumping atheists together. How can you bind me to a prominent atheist such as Richard Dawkins or call me an untrue atheist for not following?

If tithing is a prominent practice you don't follow, should you be bound to it or called an untrue Christian simply because it is prominent?

Dawkins is not the atheist Bible and does not bind us. If any one should be bound by their book, it is you Christians.

No one is binding you to Dawkins. But logic demands that an atheist believes in certain things, which are basically those that Dawkins wrote about. At least he is upfront about what atheism entails and implies.

It is not the popularity of a practice that determines whether it is Christian, it is whether that practice is supported by Scripture properly exegeted. I am happy to be bound by the Scriptures. It is authoritative for me.

Tcmc SG

Why deny the obvious?

If you are saying that every religion makes exclusive claims, what's new? Even atheism makes exclusive claims. Atheism declares ALL religions to be false, be it Christianity, Islam or Buddhism.

BIC

I didnt even bring in atheism because its irrelevant. Atheism isnt a religion, as much as your deluded mind wants it to be.

I am just comparing the different religions for you to see, to show you that your excluse claim in christianity doesnt necessary make it "better" or superior".

Religion A says god A is good. Religion B says god B is good.

Atheism doesnt come into the picture because it doesnt claim that any god is good.

It's like comparing football and basketball and then you bring in "not playing football" as a sport to compare...

BroInChrist SG

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I'm ignoring all your pathetic ad hominems, and a strawman. Just answer this:

Can you accept that the badger/ coney is neither a ruminant nor practises refection? Remember, observable and verificable...

I'm always advocating the bible as not science text, (see here) and was implying to you not to....

I don't need you to tell me that the Bible is not a science textbook. Creationists by and large already know that. See http://creation.com/but-the-bibles-not-a-science-textbook-is-it

Of course I can accept facts. But since when does "chewing the cud" can only mean the narrow sense as in modern day scientific understanding? It's like you telling me that if the word "gay" appears in the Bible it must refer to homosexuals because that's what it's meant today. That would be absurd. Like I said, Scripture writers employ the language of appearance. Even Linneaus classified the rabbit as one that "chews the cud" based on OBSERVATION of physical characteristics and behaviour.

BroInChrist SG

The other lifeforms were created with mortality as the norm... Only human were made perfect originally...

Wrong. At end of Day 6 God said it was all "VERY GOOD". There was no death before sin.

BroInChrist SG

BIC

Actually, IF God's goodness IN HEAVEN is so INFINITELY GOOD, and being in god's presence is the BEST thing on earth, shouldn't christians wish to die earlier to be with god?

If you dont wanna die earlier, then arent you telling god that you want to delay being with him?

Didn't you learn in Sunday School that Christ lives in every believer? God is with us. So you see, once again I have exposed you for the fraud that you are.

Tcmc SG

You have a failed theology, Tcmc. You need someone to educate you with the right theology that you never had to begin with.

BIC

It is god's failure because

1. he is allknowing, he knew what he created would fail yet he still did it.

2. when a manufacturer produces faulty products, do you blame the manufacturer or the product? Moreover, the manufacturer (in this case god) KNEW that he was producing products that would go faulty.

3. he is allpowerful, meaning he could have rectify the fault but he didnt and then he pushed the blame to us.

Dont keep saying that he gave us a choice. THats not the issue.

The issue is, EVEN BEFORE he created us OR GAVE US CHOICE, he knew everything is gonna screw up.

So why did he still make such a foolish decision to create? assuming hes real.

Jacky Woo SG

you will never understand xtian beliefs, however how incoherent and illogical they are.

to me it doesnt make any sense. karl marx is spot on to say, religion is an opiate is very true.opium is addictive and harmful, but people still enjoy and addicted to it in the older days.

BroInChrist SG

In fact I wish you a long life here. For every person a Christian manages to convert, there are others who will be turned off. Your posts are a monument to flawed logic and serve this purpose nicely.

Then I am in good company. When Paul preached to the folks in Athens he started from Creation and then to the Cross. Many mocked and scoffed (like many here in this forum) but a FEW believed. While the Bible teaches that Christ died to save all it also teaches that not all want to be saved. For wide is the gate to destruction and narrow is the door to life.

Jacky Woo SG

BIC

It is god's failure because

1. he is allknowing, he knew what he created would fail yet he still did it.

2. when a manufacturer produces faulty products, do you blame the manufacturer or the product? Moreover, the manufacturer (in this case god) KNEW that he was producing products that would go faulty.

3. he is allpowerful, meaning he could have rectify the fault but he didnt and then he pushed the blame to us.

Dont keep saying that he gave us a choice. THats not the issue.

The issue is, EVEN BEFORE he created us OR GAVE US CHOICE, he knew everything is gonna screw up.

So why did he still make such a foolish decision to create? assuming hes real.

I already said this a few times, the issue of being omniscient and omnipotent.

same with SATAN. so does god know that lucifer will betray him and yet he created
lucifer, knowingly lucifer will betray and become SATAN. so whose fault is this? none other than the creator isnt it. same with the paradox of creating something god cant lift?

BroInChrist SG

you will never understand xtian beliefs, however how incoherent and illogical they are.

to me it doesnt make any sense. karl marx is spot on to say, religion is an opiate is very true.opium is addictive and harmful, but people still enjoy and addicted to it in the older days.

Which part of atheism makes sense? The part that the universe made itself from nothing?

Tcmc SG

Didn't you learn in Sunday School that Christ lives in every believer? God is with us. So you see, once again I have exposed you for the fraud that you are.

LOL.

You are theologically unsound.

Every christian and pastor will tell you that being in heaven with god (perfection) is way better than being on earth with jesus' presence.

Are you really a christian?

alize SG

Things which you impute atheism to involve. Dawkins said life is not created towards a purpose. You twisted "purpose" to mean, I quote: "Why do you bother to get up in the morning and do anything at all?"

Tcmc SG

Which part of atheism makes sense? The part that the universe made itself from nothing?

Sounds familiar.

Like how god always existed and made himself from nothing and 3 of them talk to each other?

BroInChrist SG

BIC

I didnt even bring in atheism because its irrelevant. Atheism isnt a religion, as much as your deluded mind wants it to be.

I am just comparing the different religions for you to see, to show you that your excluse claim in christianity doesnt necessary make it "better" or superior".

Religion A says god A is good. Religion B says god B is good.

Atheism doesnt come into the picture because it doesnt claim that any god is good.

It's like comparing football and basketball and then you bring in "not playing football" as a sport to compare...

You don't want to bring in atheism because you don't wish to defend atheism. It's a cop out act of intellectual cowardice. It is a religion and I have already shown why it is so, as much as you wish to deny it in the face of evidence.

Atheism comes into the picture because it says all religions are false. It's like coming into the sports arena and saying that none of the sports are sports at all because there's no such thing as sports.

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