1. I asked you for what you think is the best evidence for
evolution. You said fossils. Here's a revealing quote for you from
a noted evolutionist,
"In any case, no real
evolutionist, whether gradualist or punctuationist, uses the fossil
record as evidence in favour of the theory of evolution as opposed
to special creation" - Mark Ridley, 'Who doubts evolution?',
New Scientist, vol. 90, 25 June 1981, p. 831, see also
But what are fossils? They are the petrified remains of
billions of dead things found in rock layers found all over
the world. That's the DATA which both you and I have and observe.
But you have chosen to INTERPRET the data through evolutionary
lens. You BELIEVE that these fossils were laid down by sedimentary
rock and slowly formed over millions of years. But I interpret
them through Biblical lens and BELIEVE that they were laid down and
buried rapidly by a global flood over a matter of months. You
BELIEVE that fossils must take millions of years to form. But given
the right conditions fossils do not require vast amounts of time.
And do you know that fossilisation is actually a very rare
occurence because organic material tends to decompose? You need
rapid burial to quickly lock out the air and other things that
might hinder fossilisation. Given the global dispersion of the
fossil record, the global flood that the Bible talks about presents
a very good explanation for the formation of the fossil
record.
Regarding genetic changes, firstly, evolutionists CANNOT account
for the existence of genetic information itself, DNA. Secondly, DNA
is specified complexity, it carries information. Who arranged the
information in the genetic code? Thirdly, if evolution is true then
it requires an INCREASE in new-never-before-existing genetic
information. But natural selection and mutation does not do that at
all, they only work on pre-existing information.
2. Truth is truth, whether we are talking about religious truth
or not. So, please clarify, are you saying that there is no such
thing as truth? Bear in mind that saying "there is no such things
as truth" assumes that the statement is true.
1. Yes. Yes I said fossils is the best evidence for evolution,
in my own opinion, and thanks for telling me your views on fossils.
It is a time record of what happened in the past, which was X
million years long. Let me re-write in clearer statements about our
beliefs.
Yours: You believe that fossils were laid down and
buried rapidly by a global flood over a matter of
months.
Mine: I believe that fossils were laid down by
sedimentary rock and slowly formed over millions of
years.
You pointed out that organic materials tends to decompose.
That's true. Flesh easily decompose. But why fossilizing is an rare
occurance? After organic materials decompose, we will have the
skeleton structures left. Since they were trapped in the
sedimentary layers, they were under pressure and becomes
fossilized. Where does your context of "rareness" applies here?
You quoted an evolutionist Mark Ridley. Thank for his input to
the scientific community. His input is as valuable as someone
proclaiming evolution is a fact. One can never believe in one man's
word. Analyze his finding, look at his methodology, what is his
research sample size, any assumption made ? One thing is science
will never become a fact based on one man work. Contrast that with
a bible.
You said you also need rapid burial to quickly lock out air and
other things.
May I know how does the a major flood provides rapid locking out
of air and other things. Shouldn't be the water washing out stuff?
I did see any coherency in your belief unless through your bibilcal
lens, which is making people more confused than convinced.
Evolution has produced the most diversity and complexity of
genetic information. Natural selection and mutation produce more
information and arrangement of the genetic information. Why is my
understanding so different from yours ? If you still believe in
natural selection and mutation play with pre-existing information,
you are half way right. They produce the never ending arrangement
of new genetic code. Recall the onset of HIV virus in this world.
Recall the bird flu virus, we have H1N1, then later mutates to a
strong strain of H1N3 through natural selection. H1N5 comes later.
Let me quote a example closer to us. The anti-botic medicine we
took is also gradually changing to a stronger dose and newer
medicinal power. Your doctor never tell you this ? This is in
response to the growing new strain of virus in our body through the
time that able to outsmart the drugs. When last year's flu
vaccination is no longer effective? We need a newer jab of upgraded
flu vaccination to handle this years' occurance of different virus
strain.
The above are examples of gene mutation and natural selection.
Of course you can say that how can the evolutionists take this as
evidence of evolution. This cannot demostrate that the creation of
primitive organism and evolve to what we are today. I would tell
you to be patience for X millions years and observe. Out of the
zillion chemical reactions take place during the young earth, there
is one successful reaction that forms the basic building block of
living organism. Be patience and observe for some X millions years,
bigger and more functional organism forms.
Then you may ask. Where does the moral comes from ? I am most
dumdfounded by this. We atheist suppress moral judgement given by
god ? I say moral comes from our mind. Full stop. We can think,
just like we can make up a god call steve. If moral comes from god,
why can a snake in adam's bull story had evil moral, but now snake
is deemed an animal and can't have moral now. Some religion will
punish anyone who leave the religion. On what moral is this ? What
good will religion be if it cannot allow someone who will be happy
to go elsewhere.
In my opinion, religion is a good place if you need spirital
support. Full stop. Better forget about the creation crap, it is
more confusing than convicing.
2. Let me repeat. There is no truth in the context of any
religious ideas or whatsoever. Let's not play any word game. No
truth.
