Jesus was a Hindu Monk and Survived the Cross

last SG · 2011-12-07T15:08:38+00:00

Tcmc,1. And I shall again emphasize this. You demand for empirical proofs that miracles happened 2000 years ago. You claimed, at the very least, that miracle...

Jacky Woo SG

What's the matter? Can't live with the fact that our calendar is dated with reference to Jesu Christ? Even the days of the week are named after Roman deities and we all are living with that.

wow I am amazed you can ignore my other question lol, as usual. you seem to unable or unwilling to acknowledge not all in this world is a xtian, so this calender system is catered towards xtians, not non christians.

anyway I am not asking u. who decides the calendar system? its about time we change. the current calendar year can be used by xtians, but its time the world change to a system thats suits everyone.

BroInChrist SG

anyway I am not asking u. who decides the calendar system? its about time we change. the current calendar year can be used by xtians, but its time the world change to a system thats suits everyone.

Just live with it lah. Otherwise it looks like a case of Christophobia. Some things we just have to accept. But if you want to change things then be my guess. Good luck trying to do that.

Tcmc SG

Good works are not the pre-condition for salvation, they are the fruits of salvation.

But then your conduct here is not very "good" or admirable. SO that means you might not be saved?

BroInChrist SG

But then your conduct here is not very "good" or admirable. SO that means you might not be saved?

Tcmc,

Trying to change the subject eh? Lame sia. My conduct is deemed not good because I demolished your arguments ya? My conduct will be good if I sayang all your anti-Christian arguments and don't make a blip about them, ya?

When Jesus was on earth, His conduct was also judged as evil by others. They called Him as one who has the devil. Jesus chased the people out of the temple using a whip. Was that good or admirable in your view? Yet no one can accused Jesus of sin when He challenged them.

Tcmc SG

Tcmc,

Wow comparing yourself to Jesus, a supposedly perfect man. Nice righteousness there.

No i say your conduct is bad not because you demolished anything but because you keep bearing false witness against me and twist your arguments to suit your beliefs.

BroInChrist SG

Wow comparing yourself to Jesus, a supposedly perfect man. Nice righteousness there.

No i say your conduct is bad not because you demolished anything but because you keep bearing false witness against me and twist your arguments to suit your beliefs.

Tcmc,

Didn't you know, that we should all seek to emulate Christ? Paul said, imitate me just as I imitate Christ. But of course you DIDN'T know that.

Nah, I think you just go for personal attack when your arguments have been demolished. You were probably thinking you were on a winning streak when few bothered to respond to your elephant hurling tactics. But I suppose the tables turned on you when I began to take you on.

despondent SG

to demon bane,

regarding the different view abt the afterlife, the reasons why there are 4 diff perspectives according to wad tcmc listed down is cos there are 4 different perspectives regarding end time tribulation...they are pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation, post-tribulation and partial tribulation...

to tcmc,

regarding salvation by grace alone or works and grace...it depends on whether the christian believe in predestination or freewill...but the bottomline is all christians agree salvation is by grace in other words tat r/s wif God is needed...

[imdestinyz] SG

to demon bane,

to tcmc,

would you mind to explain a little more about each tribulation?

despondent SG

i am no guru on this cos i have nvr been to bible school so wadever knowledge i have is based on wad i understand from the christians i noe from different denominations and some pastors as well...

basically, all christians believe there will be a 7-year period of tribulation that earth will witness but of cuz no man noes the hour it will start...the differences begins in the issue of the rapture of the believers, when it will happen...

1) pre-tribulation teaches that christians are spared from the tribulation...they will rapture before tribulation begins...christians who hold this belief usually believe in predestination(once saved, always saved)...

2) mid-tribulation teaches that christians have to go thru tribulation but only for 3.5 out of the 7 years...i dun really noe where the biblical references are but thats wad i understand from this teaching...

3) post-tribulation teaches that christians have to go thru the full 7 years of tribulation...this is to test their faith if they can hold out thru the tribulation...christians holding this belief usually believe tat salvation is by freewill and tat it can be lost...hence the tribulation is one of the tests of their faith to see if its wavering...

4) partial tribulation is slightly different from the rest as it teaches tat there are 2 raptures instead of 1...the 1st rapture happens before tribulation and some christians(chosen by God) will be raptured...then after the 7 years of tribulation, a 2nd batch of christians will be raptured after getting their faith tested...

i hope i have given a reasonable enuff reply...:)

BroInChrist SG

i am no guru on this cos i have nvr been to bible school so wadever knowledge i have is based on wad i understand from the christians i noe from different denominations and some pastors as well...

i hope i have given a reasonable enuff reply...:)

Just to add on, the last view is promoted by Van Kampen but it never really became popularly accepted. So it really boils down to the three main views.

sgdiehard SG

Demon Bane

Actually there are different christian perspectives on this, according to the many christians I have met.

1. Some christians believe that the spirits go directly to heaven or hell after death

2. Some christians believe that the spirits "wait somewhere" until the last day. On the last day, jesus judges the spirits and then they will go to their respective places.

3. Some christians believe that the spirits are "asleep" until the last day. On the last day, jesus judges the spirits and then they will go to their respective places.

4. Some christians also believe that the spirits will wait somewhere and on the last day, these spirits will be given a SECOND CHANCE to hear the "gospel" to get into heaven

These are the 4 different interpretations from christians I know :))))

Tcmc,

do you believe in after life? and where will you go?

Tcmc SG

Tcmc,

do you believe in after life? and where will you go?

Nope I dont believe in an afterlife whether its the christian afterlife, muslim afterlife or reincarnation or hindu afterlife.

:) Simply because

1. No one has been there

2. No one has seen these places physically

3. No one knows where these places are

It's like saying there's this magical rainbow land beyond our universe, but if there's no evidence, why should you believe me?

despondent SG

hey BIC, are u a believer of once saved always saved? u can PM me if u are uncomfortable sharing here...

Tcmc SG

hey BIC, are u a believer of once saved always saved? u can PM me if u are uncomfortable sharing here...

despondent

Ya you are correct.

2 kinds of christians regarding this - one kind believes once saved always saved, the other no.

BroInChrist SG

hey BIC, are u a believer of once saved always saved? u can PM me if u are uncomfortable sharing here...

Based on my current understanding of the Scriptures, I would have to say that I am not persuaded to the OSAS view.

Tcmc SG

Based on my current understanding of the Scriptures, I would have to say that I am not persuaded to the OSAS view.

BIC, based on your understanding of scriptures about OSAS, you think the OSAS camp is wrong? Or you are not very sure?

BroInChrist SG

BIC, based on your understanding of scriptures about OSAS, you think the OSAS camp is wrong? Or you are not very sure?

Tcmc,

Put it this way, I am of the view that the weight of the Biblical evidence does not lend to the OSAS view. This is unlike the young earth view where the Scriptures is dead clear and exegetically it is watertight.

despondent SG

to tcmc,

regarding issues like this we cun say for sure which camp is rite or wrong...its one of those doctrines i was telling u abt tat are gd to noe but wun affect the salvation of the believer...

to BIC,

i dun subscribe to OSAS too although i understand where they are coming from...most of them believe in pre-tribulation...

BroInChrist SG

to tcmc,

regarding issues like this we cun say for sure which camp is rite or wrong...its one of those doctrines i was telling u abt tat are gd to noe but wun affect the salvation of the believer...

to BIC,

i dun subscribe to OSAS too although i understand where they are coming from...most of them believe in pre-tribulation...

Despondent, Do you perceive there is a link between OSAS and pre-trib view? I happen to think that the pre-trib view is well supported. But as you said, none of these are salvation issues.

Tcmc SG

Tcmc,

BIC,

And the other camp will say the same thing to you too. :I am of the view that the weight of the Biblical evidence does lend to the OSAS view."

Seems like the bible can be easily interpreted in many ways.

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