BIC,
1. Yes just like you all other christians dont go around saying
"god told me this and that". Like you, they get their
interpretation and beliefs from the bible and christian books. In
this case, they believe that Jesus will give a second chance after
humans die by interpreting the verses I gave you. You know what's
the problem? You insist that your interpretation is the only
correct one. They insist theirs is correct. So IN ESSENCE, you
still have not given me a proper and reliable way to tell which
christian's interpretation is correct. You use the bible, they use
the bible You use christian articles, they use christian articles.
You refute them they refute you. So can you give me other ways to
know which christian's interpretation is correct? A clearer
way.
2. Similarly I have posed as a non-trinitarian christian and
also refute the verses you use to support your trinity beliefs.
Strange. You can refute me and I also can refute you. You can
refute non-trinity christians but non-trinity christians also can
refute you. Why??
3. Yes I know you are reading in context and that the spirits
referred to spirits in Noah's time. But christians who quote that
verse to me also tell me that if God did that for Noah's time, he
will do it also in the future. They tell me that God never changes,
and is always merciful and compassionate. Well, you cant say
they're wrong too right? God IS merciful and never
changes!
GREAT! You mentioned hebrew verses that contradict with the
verses other christians gave me.
Then again, if you mention hebrew verses, you must read it in
context! Paul (or whoever the hebrew writer is, no one is sure)
might be only referring to the people during his time! Read in
context like how you read the 1 Peter 3:18-19
verse!!!
Or do you pick and choose which verses to read in context and
which not to?
Tcmc,
1. I know of no other way other than that which I have told you.
Or perhaps you prefer the way of Rome, where the Pope speaks
infallibly and everyone must take that as the final word, like it
or not, disagree or not? Would that be clear enough for you? The
heritage of the Reformation is such that the Word of God is made
available even to the peasants and laymen. Anyone can read the Word
of God and knows what it says for themselves, but that is not a
license to mean that the meaning of the text is determined by
anyone, the meaning of the text is discovered, not made up. And God
has placed in the Church mature believers (teachers, elders) who
understand the Bible more than others and who can teach the
Word.
2. Since when did you refute my verses on the Trinity? You
refuted John 10:33 meh? When? All you said was "I and the Father
are one" can mean this or that. Did you refute my point that the
Jews said that Jesus was claiming to be God and thus deserved to be
stoned for blasphemy? You did not.
3. You need to discern what the text says and what Christians do
with the text. Christians that say more than what the text says and
infer this or that, you just have to tell them that they have went
BEYOND what the text says. I will just say that they have went
beyond the text and that there is no Biblical grounds to accept
that. They are merely arguing for something that is not supported
by the text and its context. Moreover there are other verses that
negate their view. The whole of Scripture must be taken into
account. Prooftexts is not the way to prove doctrine.
4. You are obviously trying to be funny here with the text in
Hebrews. 1 Peter 3 clearly refers to the spirits at the time of the
Flood. In Hebrews the writer is making a universal statement, not
qualifying it in anyway, that "just as each person is
destined to die once and after that comes judgment, so also Christ
died once for all time as a sacrifice to take away the sins of many
people." Where is the indication that it was only meant for
the people living at the time when Hebrews was written? Still say
you are not trolling here? You are just making an objection for the
sake of it.
