Jesus was a Hindu Monk and Survived the Cross

last SG · 2011-12-07T15:08:38+00:00

Tcmc,1. And I shall again emphasize this. You demand for empirical proofs that miracles happened 2000 years ago. You claimed, at the very least, that miracle...

soemt SG

No problem with what you post, but do try to understand that religion is about faith, and we don't know what we do not know, this is where there is no science! Christians believe in what we believe and non christians are free to believe in what you believe, and such respect is a value, not sure if it is something that can be proven by empirical knowledge.

Yes religion is (mainly) about faith, often about what we cannot comprehend(fully). And there is definately no science available on what we don't know. But unless i've misread, BIC also believes that religion/faith shouldn't be out of bounds to scientific reasoning, just because we do not have a means/method/techonology yet.

And i do respect the free choices of others. I engage in disscussions because i believe we can better sort out/refine our thinking/understanding through such. I have personally experienced that having to explain to others my understanding of a subject improves my own understanding as well. I hope you get to benefit from this as much as i do too.

BroInChrist SG

Just a clarification, when you say no threat, you mean to say that the core beliefs of Christianity will conclusively stand up to scientific scrutiny right?

I'm just pointing out tips to those who may want to avoid reading the bible to look for more neutral sources and maybe even get the hang of being a mythbuster.) But some may say brought up may only allude to his childhood. So wouldn't neutral sources help you too?

Your question assumes that scientific scrutiny is the litmus test of truth. I beg to differ. The scientific method is the brainchild of Francis Bacon who was a believer, but yet the method is limited to that which is observable and repeatable and testable. Is the resurrection of Jesus which is a historical event be capable of scientific scrutiny? How so? As mentioned the founders of modern science were believers and never saw science as a threat to faith. In fact it was their faith that motivated their science!

DailyFreeGames.com SG

Who created God?

Personally I believe in God but as an atheist thinking, God is merely an imagination from humans, just like in the past, during thunders, humans believed God was angry... science came in and realize the chemistry/physics behind why rain and thunders took place...

Someone asked me whether I am a free thinker or a Christian, I can say I am both. When it comes to science exams, like physics, unless I want to fail my exams, otherwise I need to use logical explanation in how things work, for example thunder... I cannot say because God is angry.

On the other hand, I believe science has its limitations. Some things are beyond explanation yet because we have yet to grasp that kind of understanding. Like for example, why some people so emo... logical explanation is only possible if someone managed to delve into their brain and understand the DNA/chemical reactions happening between the brain on that exact person at that exact point of time, which at this time is still impossible to do... Science has also yet to tell me a simple answer such as what is the black hole made of? where did all the things they suck go into?

But for now, I must continue to pass my exams and I must continue to make the best use of my logical knowledge and reasoning to move forward in life... for things such as God, I will know soon enough when I die.

Fugazzi SG

Jesus is not theology, Christianity is! Jeus simply wants one to be, neither doing, nor not-doing, but just being …. Hence, the hint is that one has no ’’God’’ to preach to onself, no rituals to be followed; in his being …. hinted to the freedom of being … He was an invitation to partake of the existentitial being that he was. To partake the wine of being divine. that makes all the difference between being spiritual or being religious. However, the latter limits one cos of doctrines, dogma and … it limits one to be … When one does not believe in persons, one does not believe in ideologies. And when , a great knowing explodes, a trusting in existential manifestations (manifesting is more apt) eg,s in trees, in rocks, in people, in ….., in all that is. The ’’Jesus’’ are part of it, n yet not part of it ( a paradox that human mind can only experience when the mind is parked no-where). One Simply abides in being …..

PS – those … in quotes are in quotes cos of the constraints of language and that which one cannot pinpoint to or define.

BroInChrist SG

soemt,

My point is that, contrary to what the atheists like to portray, there is no inherent conflict between Science and the Bible. The Bible touches upon many things that science touches on, though the Bible is not written as a science textbook.

BroInChrist SG

Who created God?

Please clarify, you said you believe in God but you claim to be an atheist? How can one be a freethinker AND a Christian? Moreover, during science exams you are asked to describe how thunder happens, you are not asked for theological reasons. And you seem to pit logic against faith. Yet the Christian faith is a reasonable faith, a logical faith.

BroInChrist SG

PS – those … in quotes are in quotes cos of the constraints of language and that which one cannot pinpoint to or define.

Jesus, being God-incarnate, TAUGHT many things to His followers about God. Are not such teachings rightly referred to as dogma, or theology?

Demon Bane SG

Christianity is still the largest religion in the entire world....I think it'll still work...otherwise why so many believers ?

BroInChrist SG

Christianity is still the largest religion in the entire world....I think it'll still work...otherwise why so many believers ?

Demon Bane,

I think if a religion is true it will work. But just because a religion "works" it does not mean it is true. What do you think?

Demon Bane SG

Demon Bane,

I think if a religion is true it will work. But just because a religion "works" it does not mean it is true. What do you think?

I have this idea of collective consciousness....if many people gathered and think/wish/hope for the same things, somehow miracles will happen....I dunno where I got this idea from....

If a religion "works" is good enuff for me....it doesn't need to be 100% "true" becos those are questions about religions, not about faith....faith is not about having all the right answers...

BroInChrist SG

I have this idea of collective consciousness....if many people gathered and think/wish/hope for the same things, somehow miracles will happen....I dunno where I got this idea from....

If a religion "works" is good enuff for me....it doesn't need to be 100% "true" becos those are questions about religions, not about faith....faith is not about having all the right answers...

I think your definition of faith may need a little tweaking. In my view, faith is not about having all the answers. It is about trusting in God even when we do not have all the answers. It rests on the sufficiency, truthfulness, reliability of the answers we already have. Not having all the answers is not the same as not having all the right answers. I am OK with not having all the answers, but if the answers I have are wrong or false then there is cause for concern! If I am not wrong, all religions purport to teach truths, if not THE truth. Each religion will claim to have the right/true answers in what it teaches. Now as a Christian it is my belief that the Bible is 100% inerrant. This is what Jesus and the apostles taught as well. Today many believe it is not, but for these people where is the assurance then that what they choose to believe is indeed true if the Bible is not inerrant in its entirety?

Demon Bane SG

Jacky,

You believe that the universe created itself from nothing. You need to see a psychiatrist more than I do, and hopefully a Christian one!

From the buddhist perspective, the universe is always there....before this universe was another universe....after this universe, a new universe shall form....something like this.

Demon Bane SG

Okay, "not about having all the answers" sounds more right....Thanks!

BroInChrist SG

From the buddhist perspective, the universe is always there....before this universe was another universe....after this universe, a new universe shall form....something like this.

Yes, I understand this, though this belief goes against the scientific conclusion that matter is not eternal. See also http://www.gotquestions.org/universe-eternal.html

Demon Bane SG

Yes, I understand this, though this belief goes against the scientific conclusion that matter is not eternal. See also http://www.gotquestions.org/universe-eternal.html

Lets say this present universe is made up of planets/suns/blackholes etc..the old universe maybe different eg. much smaller irregular shaped rocks with no human at all....the new universe maybe made of entirely gases...Yes matter may not be eternal, but "something" will be form after this universe deceased....

sgdiehard SG

Who created God?

you are absolutely right, who says God is angry with the Thai and flooded the whole country, why is God angry with NZ with so many earthquake, why is God always angry with the philippino when typhoon is unleashed every year there for several month....we do not attribute everything we know or don't know to God.

When you study physics, you analyse and explain everything with theories, and when you paint a picture or do a sculpture, you see the beauty and feel the life it illustrates. You dont' feel in physics and you can't analyse in arts, and, for years man thought F=MA is true, but later in the microscopic world when we deal with electrons and neutrons, F=MA is not true anymore. and in arts, what is beautiful to you may not be beautiful to others.

Don't need to die before you know there is a God, those of us who know God are not dead yet. hahaha...

sgdiehard SG

I am certainly learning, I am getting more than you, including names, insults, accusation (of course sometimes I give back)...hahaha

arts and science, faith and logic, religion and secularism, ...these are issues debated all the time, what i am learning is not the conclusion, but the little info or remarks that are used to support the belief.....should religion be out of bound to scientific reasoning or science plays no part in religion? I personally belive it all depends on how much are we involved in our religion and how much we know about science, or for that matter, any other thing.

Thanks for sharing.

sgdiehard SG

The present universe is not eternal, to be replaced by another, and another...take a long term view, there is always a universe, that is eternity.

But even for the present universe, if you don't believe it exists, it doesn't, kan tou le jiu shi KONG.

Demon Bane SG

I am certainly learning, I am getting more than you, including names, insults, accusation (of course sometimes I give back)...hahaha

Thanks for sharing.

This is afterall still a christian forum/thread....science is knowledge....many scientists are still christians leh....am I wrong about this ?

Demon Bane SG

The present universe is not eternal, to be replaced by another, and another...take a long term view, there is always a universe, that is eternity.

But even for the present universe, if you don't believe it exists, it doesn't, kan tou le jiu shi KONG.

Hahaha! Yah lor...no need to worry so much....about life after death and end of the world etc...the present universe is more important !

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