A Defense of the Bible

last SG · 2011-12-31T01:53:19+00:00

could i reinforce by saying tat its our life tat is eternal after we have accepted christ death for our sins but wads nt eternal is our physical body? so in...

Fugazzi SG

Ideology means one has already summarized life.Is it worth living? However, when one is willing to explore, willing to inquire – it is a journey that allows for one to evolve.

BroInChrist SG

Ideology means one has already summarized life.Is it worth living? However, when one is willing to explore, willing to inquire – it is a journey that allows for one to evolve.

And you subscribe to the ideology of existentialism, right?

Fugazzi SG

existentialism is a mere mental construct, means nothing and when concluded it is a mere vested interest. existential experience is when one is actually experiencing it and even after arriving at a conclusion after that experience – the way of existence is such that the conclusion does not hold up to ’’reality’’ for much too long. Hence the paradoxical phenomenon. I prefer the latter – it allows for finding out.

BroInChrist SG

Then aren't you cutting the branch you are perching on?

Fugazzi SG

The human mind has the propensity to perch on anything that allows for certainty! Once cannot partake of ’’what is or is not’’ existential and hope to be certain about it. Isms has an element of certainty, isness – how to be certain?

BroInChrist SG

So how certain are you of the truth of your existentialist view of things, bearing in mind that you are of the view that there is no absolute truth? Is your existentialistic view of reality true or just another perception no different from others that you criticise?

Fugazzi SG

Parking one’s mind no-where and one may or not may …. As for truth, there is no such thing as absolute truth. It is always relative to one perceives cos each one is conditioned in so many ways. I never conclude until it is an experince, so how to be certain. Can the sky be comprssed into a box? Does one think to exist? Or does one exist to think? Do I have to think that my hands exist? Or I simply know that it exists?
Let me reiterate again lah, u seem to be stuck on the spotlite and I am talking about floodlite.

Fugazzi SG

By spotlight is implied psychological .
By floodlight is implied existential.

Demon Bane SG

Hi Fugazzi, what will happen after we die ? According to u ?

Fugazzi SG

For now, I dont know cos I m living, so I cannot answer about death

BroInChrist SG

Again please see the self-refuting nature of your statements.

If you say there is NO SUCH THING as absolute truth, that is already making an absolute statement!

If you say truth is ALWAYS relative, that is also an absolute statement.

It's not me stuck on spotlight whereas you are on some high ground seeing what others all fail to see, that is special pleading on your part. I am saying that you are stuck in making self-refuting statements that are necessarily FALSE.

BroInChrist SG

For now, I dont know cos I m living, so I cannot answer about death

In other words, what Fuzzy is saying is that whatever he does not experience is not real. As far as Fuzzy is concerned, if he has never personally experienced something then it is not true or not real. But of course Fuzzy CANNOT live consistently with such a belief at all. Has Fuzzy experienced how it means to die by suicide by jumping off a building? Nope. But why then does Fuzzy not try to experience it? Well, because he KNOWS or has the knowledge that if he does that he will die. But how does he know that without experiencing that?

Spotlight or floodlight?

[imdestinyz] SG

Whats the difference in absolute truths and absolute statement?

BroInChrist SG

Whats the difference in absolute truths and absolute statement?

You can make an absolute statement about something that is absolutely false.

[imdestinyz] SG

oic...i can see u are a strong believer of ur religion =D

[imdestinyz] SG

oic...i can see u are a strong believer of ur religion =D

Fugazzi SG

Again please see the self-refuting nature of your statements.

If you say there is NO SUCH THING as absolute truth, that is already making an absolute statement!

If you say truth is ALWAYS relative, that is also an absolute statement.

How can a subjective experience be absolute, a river flowing is not absolute, a tree is not absolute, it changes form and shape all the time. A pond is is absolute - it is dead, it is vegetating, eg a bottle, a cup or ... I am talking spiritual (aka existential/subjective) and u are mired in pscyhological(mind/objective). Stupidity is talk about death, when the question ought to be m i living or trying to live?

BroInChrist SG

oic...i can see u are a strong believer of ur religion =D

I think one is only as strong a believer as he is as strong a defender of his beliefs. If one's beliefs is not defensible then he may just be a case of misplaced piety. God calls us to love Him with our mind as well, not just our heart.

BroInChrist SG

Unless you are deluded or a mental case, your subjective experience of something should be based on some objective reality. A growing tree of course is changing, but the tree is absolutely there nevertheless. You wouldn't be wanting to walk into it, do you?

[imdestinyz] SG

kong zi once said, haven even been fully enlightened about life, how would we know about afterlife. something along that line.

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