They Say, We Say: Evidence of the Obvious

last SG · 2011-10-06T05:32:59+00:00

So.. you guys talking to yourselves ?Where is the one who started this thread?

BroInChrist SG

BIC,

1. Sure you got the definition of atheism from a creationist christian website. Very objective :)

2."Even the courts judged atheism as a religion"? Source please. Please dont skirt the question again.

3. We don't reject "God" or "Gods" per say. We reject the "concept and idea of a supreme being" because of lack of evidence. There's a difference my friend.

Tcmc,

1. You just committed a genetic fallacy. Go find out what that means if you have no clue.

2. I provided the website, don't be lazy to click and read.

3. Lack of evidence or not, you are consciously REJECTING God. Fact is, there are people who respond to the evidence for God positively and those who do not. So please don't give the lame excuse that evidence is lacking. It is not.

Tcmc SG

Tcmc,

1. You just committed a genetic fallacy. Go find out what that means if you have no clue.

2. I provided the website, don't be lazy to click and read.

1. And so if you reject my definition of christianity according to an atheist's perspective, will you be committing genetic fallacy too?

2. No mention of civil courts deciding atheism as a religion. Or maybe I missed it. Could u point itout?

3. Nah we reject the idea of Gods, just like how you reject the idea of other Gods in other religions.

BroInChrist SG

1. And so if you reject my definition of christianity according to an atheist's perspective, will you be committing genetic fallacy too?

2. No mention of civil courts deciding atheism as a religion. Or maybe I missed it. Could u point itout?

3. Nah we reject the idea of Gods, just like how you reject the idea of other Gods in other religions.

1. If I have committed the genetic fallacy, please show where. Otherwise it is lame of you to concoct something.

2. Which part of "A federal court of appeals ruled yesterday Wisconsin prison officials violated an inmate's rights because they did not treat atheism as a religion. Atheism is [the inmate's] religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals said." do you not understand?

3. Thanks for admitting that you are consciously REJECTING the idea of God/gods altogether. That's what atheism means, and that's what I am saying!

winsomeea SG

Na nah na na na, na na nananana! hooray!

laurence82 SG

That's true.

Actually just for all of your information -

1. Atheists do not have a set of laws or doctrine like religious people but what's common among us is we do not believe in the existence of any gods due to lack of evidence.

2. Atheists do not hate any gods. Some atheists reject religion totally while some like me can appreciate the non-supernatural elements of religions.

This doesnt matter to BIC, he just want to lambast anyone non christians but atheists are easiest to pick on

laurence82 SG

laurence,

The Bible warns about pride, so thank you very much, but I already know this. I am only asking you, since you warn about personal pride, whether atheists are guilty of that when they portray themselves as Brights or more rational than people who have religious beliefs. I note that you have steered away from answering this.

I am only asking you, since you warn about personal pride, whether christians are guilty of that when they portray themselves as Brights or more rational than people who have do not believe in christ.

I bet in next five posts you will steer away from answering this

BroInChrist SG

I bet in next five posts you will steer away from answering this

Playing word replacement game? I gather that you don't read much at all, for you apparently are ignorant of the fact that outspoken atheists speak of themselves as Brights.

motoway SG

Wa ah lau. No need 5 tries.

1 try jackpot already la!

motoway SG

I beg to differ. I think from what's going on in forums like these, it is more true that Christians are the easiest to pick on, because those who bash the Christian faith know they wouldn't get hit back, since they know Christians are somehow supposed to be so loving and docile and always turning the other cheek, ya? And of course if the Christian does demolish their objections they can always play the guilt trip and ask "Oh where's the love? So critical and so judgemental one!"

We dont pick on Christians who are supposed to be "loving and docile", sorry to say, that assumption is way wrong.

We dont pick on you guys. U guys put yourself on the field with targets on your back when you guys hang the christian faith and lambast others who dont believe in it.

I dont see buddist coming up and say "you dont pray to buddah, you will go to hell." This kind of statements deserve nothing more than being shot down in all directions.

Refer to this poster:

That being said, I believe in a God out there, I just refuse to classify it under any religion.

If there is a take away from this post for you, it will be: No religion is more superior than the other.

If you gonna whip out your bible and argue otherwise, please let me refer you back to the poster alittle higher in this posting.

TYVM.

BadzMaro SG

We dont pick on Christians who are supposed to be "loving and docile", sorry to say, that assumption is way wrong.

We dont pick on you guys. U guys put yourself on the field with targets on your back when you guys hang the christian faith and lambast others who dont believe in it.

I dont see buddist coming up and say "you dont pray to buddah, you will go to hell." This kind of statements deserve nothing more than being shot down in all directions.

Refer to this poster:

That being said, I believe in a God out there, I just refuse to classify it under any religion.

If there is a take away from this post for you, it will be: No religion is more superior than the other.

If you gonna whip out your bible and argue otherwise, please let me refer you back to the poster alittle higher in this posting.

TYVM.

So are u saying all Christians do that, or are you being another of those people who just generalise ?

laurence82 SG

Playing word replacement game? I gather that you don't read much at all, for you apparently are ignorant of the fact that outspoken atheists speak of themselves as Brights.

Its not a game

I am not ignorant the fact christians speak of themselves as know-it-better just because they believe in god

motoway SG

So are u saying all Christians do that, or are you being another of those people who just generalise ?

I'm refering to the specific Chrisitans who keep questioning people who dont hold the same religious views as them.

My cousin are Christians but they dont preach and talk about it, that's 100% cool with me.

Tcmc SG

1. If I have committed the genetic fallacy, please show where. Otherwise it is lame of you to concoct something.

3. Thanks for admitting that you are consciously REJECTING the idea of God/gods altogether. That's what atheism means, and that's what I am saying!

1. You are the one committing genetic fallacy and not being objective. You refuse to accept the current meaning in the current context of atheism and instead try to use a false defintion from an irrelevant origin.

2. Oh yes the US court did rule atheism as a religion but it doesnt make it a universal truth automatically. You assume too much and too quickly.

3. Yup you too. Dont you also reject the idea of God/Gods too other than your own? You are also part atheist

BroInChrist SG

Its not a game

I am not ignorant the fact christians speak of themselves as know-it-better just because they believe in god

laurence,

Just tell me, who are the people who call themselves the Brights? I give you a hint: http://www.the-brights.net/

Christians who know God don't claim to be intellectually superior than anyone else. It is the atheist who thinks that it is a smart thing to reject belief in God and that only dull-minded people (the non-Brights) believe in God and all sorts of religious things.

BroInChrist SG

I'm refering to the specific Chrisitans who keep questioning people who dont hold the same religious views as them.

My cousin are Christians but they dont preach and talk about it, that's 100% cool with me.

motoway,

Have you ever tried asking your cousins why they don't preach and talk about Christianity even though Jesus commanded it?

Tcmc SG

motoway,

Have you ever tried asking your cousins why they don't preach and talk about Christianity even though Jesus commanded it?

Talking about obeying the Bible and what Jesus commands!

Wow.

BIC, are you sure you obey ALL of the bible's commands too?

If you dont, then why are you pinpointing other christians not obeying jesus' commands?

Answer me, are you sure you obey ALL of the bible's commands too?

BroInChrist SG

We dont pick on Christians who are supposed to be "loving and docile", sorry to say, that assumption is way wrong.

We dont pick on you guys. U guys put yourself on the field with targets on your back when you guys hang the christian faith and lambast others who dont believe in it.

I dont see buddist coming up and say "you dont pray to buddah, you will go to hell." This kind of statements deserve nothing more than being shot down in all directions.

Refer to this poster:

That being said, I believe in a God out there, I just refuse to classify it under any religion.

If there is a take away from this post for you, it will be: No religion is more superior than the other.

If you gonna whip out your bible and argue otherwise, please let me refer you back to the poster alittle higher in this posting.

TYVM.

motoway,

I wonder if you even stop to think that your poster is far more offensive than saying that nonbelievers would end up in hell. People can cordially debate the notion about whether hell exists or whether nice people should go to hell. But your poster is designed to insult and inflame people and cause ill will. I suggest you remove it unless you relish kopi time with you-know-who.

Tcmc SG

Hey BIC

Any response for my replies?

BroInChrist SG

Talking about obeying the Bible and what Jesus commands!

Wow.

BIC, are you sure you obey ALL of the bible's commands too?

If you dont, then why are you pinpointing other christians not obeying jesus' commands?

Answer me, are you sure you obey ALL of the bible's commands too?

Tcmc,

Wow, you are really looking forward to my postings eh?

I'm not morally perfect so I will never say that I have obeyed ALL of the Bible's moral commandments. No where does the Bible teaches that Christians to be morally perfect in order to encourage another Christian to follow the Bible and obey God's commands. If this is a condition then it makes a mockery of the Bible's command that we exhort each other to be obedient to God's Word. Christians have feet of clay and all walk the same paths and face the same temptations and have personal moral failures. But having said that, it is one thing to have moral failures while working out our salvation with fear and trembling, it is quite another to not even talk or preach the Gospel to anyone in complete wilful disobedience to what God said. I mean, if motoway's cousins don't preach the Gospel to him because he has already slammed the door in their face before, that I can understand. But if he is telling me that his cousins do not even preach to anyone, then I think this is a problem. Agree or not? What does your Bible study tell you?

Tcmc SG

Tcmc,

Wow, you are really looking forward to my postings eh?

BIC

Yea I miss you and your answers.

So you admit you dont obey all of the bible commandments too.

So instead of pinpointing other christians not obeying the commandments, why dont you try to look at yourself first?

Jesus says "Hey mate, look at the plank in your eye first before you point out others' plank".

That is humility, for christians.

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