Does the Christian God lie to/deceive humans

last SG · 2011-11-17T14:42:32+00:00

mancha Obviously, you don't know how to answer me because it's pretty obvious that the Christian god lies.

Tcmc SG

New International Version (©1984)
"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Verse quoted to stop christian asking.

Hi winsomeea

Lol. It's kinda true. When I was a christian a few years ago, my pastor always discouraged me from asking. Whenever he couldn't answer my questions, he would say exactly "His ways are higher than yours so don't question"

Ok he might be a very nice person but that's just a lousy excuse for not knowing how to answer my question.

Ghostpel SG

SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT…................

The christian, muslim….etc alike, always defend that any verses talking about violence and evil acts in their holy books should not be taken literally and must be understood in context. They always say that these verses are not encouraging violence or evil, but rather just as metaphors for something good.

On the other hand, I have never heard them saying that those verses talking about good and nice things must be interpreted with care.

The BIG QUESTION here is that could the bad verses are in reality meant to be taken literally, while the good verses are to be understood as just metaphor only.

I have also often heard these people saying that non-christian and non-muslim…etc have intentionally taken the evil verses out of context with the aim to mis-represent the holy book.

Another BIG QUESTION is that is it also equally true that the christians and….etc are taking the good verses out of their context in order to project a good image of their religions.

It seems to me that for these people Bad things cannot be taken literally and out of context, but Good things can be taken literally and out of context.

The KEY MESSAGE I want to make is that the holy books of these Godly religions can be moulded into whatever forms that satisfy their religious ego. HENCE, we MUST NOT BELIEVE in them when christians …..etc try to convince you that their God is a loving one by quoting some sound-nice verses from their holy books.

hahahhhahhha….................hehehhehheeeeeeeeeeeeee

winsomeea SG

Hi winsomeea

Ok he might be a very nice person but that's just a lousy excuse for not knowing how to answer my question.

Had the same problem with you. In contrary, Buddha encourages human to ask.

Christianity suppresses using of one's intellect, this is questionable. God is incapable of handling christians using intellect ????

mancha SG

Mancha

Whats so unintelligent about me posting certain verses that clearly show that "he" is capable of lying and asking for opinion? You seem to have a "deeper understanding" of those verses I posted. Care to explain why "he" lied in those verses?

I think theres's no doubt "he" lied in those verses. I just wanna know why and why he broke his own commandment.

You seem to know that there's more to what I understand. Probably you should tell me why "he" lied in those verses.

I have already said you just pick one line, and use it to portray your cause. And your views are out of context.

Example:

I feel you have lied to me. Rightly or wrong is not known.

I post : Tcmc, why do you decieve me so?

An sgforumer picks up the line and ask "Why does SGF Tcmc tell lies?"

Would that be correct?

Those were my sentiments, not a discription of you, which by itself is misused to discribe you.

Thats how your one line quotes have been picked by you and you got the wrong impression. When you read things, read carefully, and try to get the whole story, not just a piece.

So you see I am not answering the question, but rather I am looking at you.

Ghostpel SG

The HOLY BOOKS are good because their believers want them to good lahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

Cannot be trusted …............lahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

All 3 are equally BULLSHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT…................. lahhhhhhhhhhh

winsomeea SG

SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT…................

On the other hand, I have never heard them saying that those verses talking about good and nice things must be interpreted with care.

The BIG QUESTION here is that could the bad verses are in reality meant to be taken literally, while the good verses are to be understood as just metaphor only.

I have also often heard these people saying that non-christian and non-muslim…etc have intentionally taken the evil verses out of context with the aim to mis-represent the holy book.

Another BIG QUESTION is that is it also equally true that the christians and….etc are taking the good verses out of their context in order to project a good image of their religions.

It seems to me that for these people Bad things cannot be taken literally and out of context, but Good things can be taken literally and out of context.

hahahhhahhha….................hehehhehheeeeeeeeeeeeee

It seems to me that for these people Bad things cannot be taken literally and out of context, but Good things can be taken literally and out of context.

- Good point!

To be christians is to boost God's ego. Praise , praise, praise!

Bible is meant to tailor to the "needs" of christians and God. Much is claimed it is holy and from God, what is really the truth nobody knows.

Ghostpel SG

I have already said you just pick one line, and use it to portray your cause. And your views are out of context.

Example:

I feel you have lied to me. Rightly or wrong is not known.

I post : Tcmc, why do you decieve me so?

An sgforumer picks up the line and ask "Why does SGF Tcmc tell lies?"

Would that be correct?

Those were my sentiments, not a discription of you, which by itself is misused to discribe you.

Thats how your one line quotes have been picked by you and you got the wrong impression. When you read things, read carefully, and try to get the whole story, not just a piece.

So you see I am not answering the question, but rather I am looking at you.

My post on SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT will answer you lahhhh....

hehhehheheh.............hahhhhhhhhhhhhahhahaha

winsomeea SG

Only christians can take one verse out, others not allowed.

Garbage reasoning.

winsomeea SG

My post on SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT will answer you lahhhh....

hehhehheheh.............hahhhhhhhhhhhhahhahaha

Compare daily conversation with bible verses.

SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT - Great insight, well said! Facts!

Tcmc SG

I have already said you just pick one line, and use it to portray your cause. And your views are out of context.

Example:

I feel you have lied to me. Rightly or wrong is not known.

I post : Tcmc, why do you decieve me so?

An sgforumer picks up the line and ask "Why does SGF Tcmc tell lies?"

Would that be correct?

Those were my sentiments, not a discription of you, which by itself is misused to discribe you.

Thats how your one line quotes have been picked by you and you got the wrong impression. When you read things, read carefully, and try to get the whole story, not just a piece.

So you see I am not answering the question, but rather I am looking at you.

1. The author of the bible got it wrong?

2. There's a deeper meaning to "God sending a lie"? If there's a deeper meaning, then please tell me. You haven't explained anything.

What are you trying to say ? Please make yourself clear. Are you saying the author might be wrong or saying there's a deeper meaning.

Tcmc SG

Mancha

1. The author of the bible got it wrong?

2. There's a deeper meaning to "God sending a lie"? If there's a deeper meaning, then please tell me. You haven't explained anything.

What are you trying to say ? Please make yourself clear. Are you saying the author might be wrong or saying there's a deeper meaning.

Rooney_07 SG

hey TS, let me give you my frank opinions on god religion, whether single god or many god ie monotheism or polytheism, they are the same basically.

first you need to recognise that god concept almighty being were created by ancient man. why? cos man from earlier era, esp stone age, reckoned that there must be a god, otherwise who control the seasons, day and night, natural diasters, sun, moon, rains etc. they did not know as we now know that these are natural phenomenon, simply put nature. so that time, they worshipped sun, moon, trees, wind, rivers and lakes and so forth. when natural diasters happened, they thought that god was punishing them, maybe they were not devout enough or need sacrifises, hence sacrifises of animals and even babies and human beings in the name of the god began. so when man were able to read and write, they wrote it in the holy books as commandments and stories.

winsomeea SG

Mancha

Let's just take one verse. Look at the verse BELOW.

The verse below clearly shows that God is capable of sending a delusion which is also a lie. Simply put, he is capable of lying.

So if you're saying that the verse isn't what it is as read, then are you saying

1. The author of the bible got it wrong?

2. There's a deeper meaning to "God sending a lie"? If there's a deeper meaning, then please tell me. You haven't explained anything.

What are you trying to say ? Please make yourself clear. Are you saying the author might be wrong or saying there's a deeper meaning.

Ask a christian, Mancha is not and may not give you an answer from Christianity.

mancha SG

Mancha

Let's just take one verse. Look at the verse BELOW.

The verse below clearly shows that God is capable of sending a delusion which is also a lie. Simply put, he is capable of lying.

So if you're saying that the verse isn't what it is as read, then are you saying

1. The author of the bible got it wrong?

2. There's a deeper meaning to "God sending a lie"? If there's a deeper meaning, then please tell me. You haven't explained anything.

What are you trying to say ? Please make yourself clear. Are you saying the author might be wrong or saying there's a deeper meaning.

Let me show you how your mind should be enquiring.

"For this cause..." what is the cause?

It was for that that "God shall send them strong delusion". What does this mean? You want to make it your meaning? That God want to lie to them, or will make them see things or believe things, or hallucinate, or dream, see visions. You need to see the preceeding paragraphs.

"... that they should believe a lie." I can take this two ways, God shall send them a delusion as a punishment for believing a lie, or that God shall send them a delusion so that they can continue in their ways. Exactly what? again the whole story need to be know.

Read and think, don't be hasty in judging.

That would be the begining of wisdom.

Tcmc SG

winsomeea

Sigh.

mancha SG

Ask a christian, Mancha is not and may not give you an answer from Christianity.

Thats what I told him in the first place.

Ghostpel SG

hey TS, let me give you my frank opinions on god religion, whether single god or many god ie monotheism or polytheism, they are the same basically.

That is why there are findings which say that the 3 sister religions have their roots in paganism.

Just need to google search and in youtube "Christianity and Paganism", "Islam and Paganism".

Of course they will not agree. Bad things, don't agree. Good things, agree alot.

hahahahahhaha...............heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh

Tcmc SG

Mancha

But you seem to have a deeper understanding of the verse above. But you refuse to explain it to me and keep acting like you know some "mysterious stuff".

Why don't you explain?2 Thessalonians 2:11

Tcmc SG

Mancha

winsomeea SG

winsomeea

But christians will say things like "God can do anything he wants including lying" or "You took the verses out of context" and both reasonings contradict their own beliefs.

Sigh.

They are brainwashed. Christianity is a brainwashing religion. Using suppression to go ahead with their brainwashing. Despicable!

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