Day of Yahweh

last SG · 2011-06-02T11:49:57+00:00

faith without work is dead...I can be sure that you are not using the King James Bible. You have misunderstood Christianity. God hates self-righteousness an...

shanfan SG

its in all the 4 gospels...go read up...near the end when jesus was crucified...the bible didnt say he was a believer b4 he was crucified but he honoured jesus as he hung on the cross in contrast to the other criminal...jesus turned to him and told him tat he will join Him in paradise...

OK, now I know those who honour Jesus and continue to sin will go paradise. Thank you.

But, hold on, it is contradicting isn't it. Jesus mentioned not all who called him Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. Ummmmm . .. . .. .

despondent SG

to dragg

do we need to do good in order to be a family member in our house? no...juz simply cos we are born from our parents qualify us to live under the same roof as them...did we have to accumulate good works in order to live wif them? unless we are referring to those cases where the parents dun want the baby and abandon it...

shanfan SG

to dragg

Such logic. So it is ok for children who have parents to go round sinning , killing, robbing and so on la because good works does not matter.

shanfan SG

Isn't there a reap and sow verse or verses to tell Christians to behave well? I am sure I read it in the bible. Whatever the christians do they will have to face the consequences. Want to do bad work can la, face the law and be punished lor.

despondent SG

to shanfan

correct...the context for tat scripture is referring to those who knew abt jesus way b4 they were near death...like if i 1st accepted christ when i was 20, i am expected to work towards living a godly life until i die...i will still sin cos i am still not perfect...however its the effort tat counts most to God...its like tis, if ur child studied very hard for his exam yet he came back wif a fail grade, will u still scold/cane him or worse throw him out of the house cos he failed? when i was growing up, my parents always told me tat if i studied hard and failed, they wun get angry...but if i failed cos i was lazy and dint study, they will be angry...

so for a 20yr old who accepted christ and lead a life sinning wilfully, then the qn will be whether he was truly saved in the 1st place...these are the ones jeus was referring to who will say Lord, Lord but will have no place in heaven cos they were not truly saved in the 1st place...

for eg, if i received christ cos i want to be bless or if i receive christ cos its good to do so, these ppl may not be truly saved cos the significance of salvation is not so tat we can be blessed or tat its good to be saved, rather its cos we acknowledge the love of God, Jesus death on the cross for our sins and tat Jeus is our Lord and saviour...if today we come from a stable family, do we live wif our parents cos they are rich, happy or do we live wif them simply cos they gave birth to us, provided for us and loved us??? same for God, we acknowledge tat he created us, loves us and tat heaven is home to those who are willing to turn back and reconcile the parent-child r/s which was broken when adam fell...

despondent SG

consequences yes...on judgment day, there will be 2 type of judgments...one for the non-believers and one for believers...believers will be judged for their good/bad works and seriously, if a christian commits murder while on earth, does he get away wif it? no he doesnt...he will be punished by the country's law and if he doesnt repent b4 God, he may even not make it to heaven...however, if he repents to god, he will pay the price on earth but be given his place in paradise...

if today ur child cheats in an exam, he will get a zero, u will be summon to school and he may be caned in school...as a prent, u may punish him too BUT will u disown him PERMANENTLY and THROW him out of ur family PERMANENTLY???

shanfan SG

to shanfan

Please do your beloved God and Jesus a favour if you love your god not to misinterpret what Jesus said. No wonder so many christians not doing what God, Jesus want them to, shake my head. Your explanation in red is absolutely not accepted. Christians can be truly saved yet choose to continue to sin and refuse to repent.

shanfan SG

To use parent treating child as example is not a good one, God said in the bible that his ways are higher than ours so parents are not the equivalent of God.

despondent SG

parents ways are higher tha a child's ways...oh well, i have said b4 and am saying it again...christian philosophy is better understood by christians who alredi have the fundamentals of christianity in them...the christians i noe so far have all agreed tat the parent-child analogy is appropriate parallel to use to explain how salvation is like...the pt tat christians are 1st truly saved then sin wilfully refers to a theological belief tat salvation can be lost which is actually my stand...the other doctrinal belief is once saved always saved which teaches that those who call out Lord, Lord but have no place in heaven were NOT truly saved in the 1st place...

which doctrinal stand do u take?

despondent SG

when comparte to an eternal God, we are like 3-yr old kids just like a parent and his 3 yr old kid...whose ways are higher??

shanfan SG

which doctrinal stand do u take?

What makes you think I do not have fundamentals of christianity? Parents are still human beings not comparable to God.

despondent SG

then explain to me why the christians i noe can relate to the parent-child analogy and u cun? cos we are ignorant and u are the wise one?

shanfan SG

Hey , desp, don't forget some parents are not good examples. Some parents dote on the child, some are not responsible. It is flawed to use parents as example.

shanfan SG

then explain to me why the christians i noe can relate to the parent-child analogy and u cun? cos we are ignorant and u are the wise one?

I did not say I am wise. Please read my previous post as to why parents are not a good example to quote. So judgemental leh, just because I don't see eye to eye on this you get so yucks.

despondent SG

wad do we call God? Heavenly Father...What do we call believers? Children of God...what do we call Jesus? Son of God...do the words in bold tell u sth abt christianity?

despondent SG

some aprents dote on children some dun...then relate to those parents who do love their children cos God is a loving God...u are seeing parents as an entirety...

shanfan SG

wad do we call God? Heavenly Father...What do we call believers? Children of God...what do we call Jesus? Son of God...do the words in bold tell u sth abt christianity?

But still God is God, he is not the earthly fathers we have. So?

despondent SG

some aprents dote on children some dun...then relate to those parents who do love their children cos God is a loving God...u are seeing parents as an entirety...

shanfan SG

If God is the earthly fathers we have, we just worship and treat our earthly fathers as God will do.

shanfan SG

Earthly fathers have sin, God does not have. No equal la.

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