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Fantagf SG

maybe truth is religion all linked to state as proposed by M&P?

impossible

Miracles&Prophecies SG

maybe truth is religion all linked to state as proposed by M&P?

You can't even say your mind with good English. The state is and has always try to dominate over religious domain. Secularism doesn't work because in practice those in rule demand to be obeyed not withstanding religious teaching, laws and values. This is especially true in totalitarian regime such as communist state and fascist state as in Singapore.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

You’re a liar mister Laurence a despicable liar I never ex[pressed such view. Stop lying Mr Laurence. For one it’s low and second it makes you bad

laurence82 SG

Europe has progressed ahead with secularism. You are a liar.

laurence82 SG

You’re a liar mister Laurence a despicable liar I never ex[pressed such view. Stop lying Mr Laurence. For one it’s low and second it makes you bad

U are a liar, u just repeated it at 2.32pm.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

Europe has progressed ahead with secularism. You are a liar.

I said secularism in totalitarian regime is a complete BS. You either missed my point or pretended to not understand.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

U are a liar, u just repeated it at 2.32pm.

Sigh this is what happens when engaging a person with lesser intellect. I said secularism in a country ruled by dictatorship or less than democratic countries are utter BS. Secularism is GREAT in THEORY but in practice dictators and tyrants have always sought control over the religious domain.

Perhaps these tyrants and dictators could not abolish religions but as far as they are concerned the people could have their religion and could believe in God as long as they fear the ruler more than they fear God.

Of course it's every tyrants and dictators dream to have religion banned.

I was just saying that secularism is GREAT in theory but in practice in less than honorable democratic countries it's used as mere propaganda as the state tried to wrangle control over even the religious domain.

Next time ask instead of deeming.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

and just in case you still don't get it what I said never explicitly or implicitly imply that religions are linked to govt in Singapore.

But in Singapore every institution is controlled by the corrupt govt the press, the educational institution, the hospital, the police force and the judiciary system. So you can bet that every religious figurehead in Singapore to a degree kow tow to this harry lee when pressured and when harry lee demands. Even the intelligence works for the PERSONAL benefit of the harry lee and family instead for the people. Harry lee and his family have become the state with the citizens reduced to mere digits. This is the opposite of democracy. Singapore is not a democracy. The whole point of one party system and family run state is total control and fear is a tool that makes it go smooth. Almost everyone in Singapore fear of this harry lee.

laurence82 SG

I said secularism in totalitarian regime is a complete BS. You either missed my point or pretended to not understand.

You said this is especially true in totalitarian regime but did not dismiss it. Europe has also progressed with secularism. In either way, societies do not need religion then. Thanks for affirming this.

laurence82 SG

I said you repeated it at 2.32pm. Now stop trolling EH by cleverly linking everything to state and politics.

You either missed my point or pretended to not understand.

laurence82 SG

You want to turn EH into SC Mark II ah?

That why i say, only christans troll their own forums, which is unexpected and unbelievable..

Rooney9 SG

I said you repeated it at 2.32pm. Now stop trolling EH by cleverly linking everything to state and politics.

You either missed my point or pretended to not understand.

whats is there to argue about? Indonesia is a corrupted country, period.

laurence82 SG

Indonesia is a corrupted country, period.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

Indonesia is a corrupted country, period.

Yours too just better to lie and hide it. Even worse you have a dictatorship and run by a family regime.

laurence82 SG

Yours too just better to lie and hide it. Even worse you have a dictatorship and run by a family regime.

Yeap, we have father-son dictatorship, they are called Suharto-Tommy, Sukarno-Megawati..we even have religious extremist Gus Dur and stupid VP called Habibie...

Walau eh

Miracles&Prophecies SG

Tommy Soeharto is just beginning his political career. He's still no where now. His late father though ruled a regime of dictatorship for over 3 decades now has since stepped down and passed away.
 
Megawati fought a bitter political struggle under Soeharto's new order regime as she was the opposition. The new order tried to hijack her party but she cam above it in the end. Her becoming President was worth all her struggle. As for her father the late President Soekarno passed away long before Megawati founded her political party. And she didn't inherit much wealth from her father.

You are a liar Mr Laurence. You should be ashamed! of your country and its corrupt leaders and of yourself
 
How's Harry Lee doing these days?

laurence82 SG

You are a liar Mr Laurence. You should be ashamed! of your country and its corrupt leaders and of yourself
 
How's Harry Lee doing these days?

As confirmed by M&P, Indonesia does have dictatorship regimes

Not once, but many times, not one person, but whole family

To add, there are also full time army officers in parliament, ready to overthrow the gahmen if it does not pander to its wishes

Its a double dictatorship not seen anywhere else in the world. Even Stalin and Hitler (political figures) control the army.

Rooney9 SG

Indonesia is a corrupted country, period.

Yes. corruption is like a disease and culture in Indonesia. difficult to rid of corruption even by the President. the disease rot from the top to the bottom.

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