What are the reasons for your belief in God

last SG · 2010-01-11T00:34:18+00:00

so love is bad? then y fall in love? why marry?

dadeadman1337 SG

I am a christian and i strongly stand by my beliefs and faith but I am also understanding the shortfalls of this religion and in fact any other religions.

A pastor in UK ask everyone to pay 50 pounds for every blessing he gives.

The medium that conducts my father's funeral ask for 10K to so called send my father to heaven.

I think every religion has all these black sheeps and its important for people who believes in them to differentiate between the object of your belief vs the organisation

Despite the shortfalls why do you believe?

gasband SG

Yes, it provides no argument either way, yet i hear many people using the moral argument and religions' benefits as reasons for their belief, thus my comment

Haha but my friend, you got to understand! You are standing on the ground that all these God or gods do not exist. Christians however believe that everything originates from God! They will say they are right which of cos you do not agree. You will say your point is right which of cos they will nto agree. See the similarity here? Christians believe what they believe, you believe what you believe. This is not about right or wrong. This is just about different beliefs!

Rooney9 SG

I dun blame believers to think for themselves if the concept of god might be invented by men, cos it has been like this for the past 2 millenia, generations after generations to no avail.

I am wondering if some brave and intelligent believers might be willing to explore if there is a possibility of god being invented by men and how religion came about due to ignorance and fear.

Rooney9 SG

but you can change your belief system if something convinces you otherwise or you can do some soul searching yourself. in the meantime, do use common sense and willing to challenge conventional truths, esp from an era of 2000 years ago.

gasband SG

Despite the shortfalls why do you believe?

Cos I always believe that there is a God out there. I did not buy the big bang theory. You ask me to show you physical evidence i do not have. Though not intensive, I did some questioning on various reglions from various people and I ended up believing in Jesus some 16 years ago.I have personal experiences that came later in my life on why I continued in my faith in Jesus. I do feel sad seeing the state of some churches nowadays but I was very clear that I believe in Jesus not these churches. But thats another story.

And because I have talked to so many people, I also came to understand the meaning of religious tolerance, to agree to disagree. I am very happy to say that I can a discussion with most muslim friends or buddhist friends or taoist friends or homosexual friends on my beliefs and they still count me as their good friends. I do not believe in being pushy. I state my beliefs and thats it, i will never say you SHOULD or SHOULD NOT. No one can make that decision for you.

dadeadman1337 SG

Well I would like for people to consider their beliefs with logic and reasoning as a main factor, and for others to be open to both sides of the argument. With religions institutions seeking to indoctrinate from young most of their believers, it seems fair to allow everyone to see both sides instead, and of course it boils down to personal choice

gasband SG

I mean its late and I would hate to go into why I still believe in Jesus haha cos my life story is boring and would bore everyone but in short, I was never a JESUS person, my mahjong kaki, my band mates, my close friends mocked my decision to believe in Jesus. To them, a person like me becoming a christian, especially on my own initiative, was the biggest joke to them. Things happen down the road of 16 years which convince me that my belief is right. All of us have our own convictions and no one can challenge that. You have seen people who seem to hold on to certain things so strongly, that sometimes you want to tell them..STOP IT! But you know they cant, because they are strongly convicted about certain issues and they just feel the need to do something about it. I was like that 16 years ago.

Rooney9 SG

yes that should be the way, but not all christians are as tolerant and patient as you are. But I do not blame them, cos they are trapped in their own religious paradigm, when they go telling others the god you are worshipping are satanic, or the idol you pray to are made of wood or gold.

laurence82 SG

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gasband SG

Fair enough! I would like to say that believing in Jesus is nothing LOGICAL! If it was logical, we do not have to call it faith! But alot of times, just as zealous christians tried to use their so called bible knowledge and tried to argue the way through with people using logic and science, the opposite happens too. I think both parties need to really understand what it mean to agree to disagree. I leave those who must argue until one party surrenders alone and I leave those to apologetics and those scholars who thrive on such intellectual discussions. To me, the principle remains, you state your beliefs, I state mine, I respect yours, you respect mine. the moment respect is not there, end of discussion, thats my stand.

dadeadman1337 SG

I too do not focus too much on the big bang theory, i recognise that science may have further to go. However, whether the theory is true or not, it remains one of the many questions man cannot answer, to attribute it to a god seems very hasty a judgement to make. Creation may provide a plausible explanation, but not a likely one. I can see and recognise the perspective of a deist, but not a god depicted by christianity in light of other previously mentioned factors in other threads. Just my two cents worth

Rooney9 SG

to each his/her own, but I strongly urge you to keep your mind open as possible. there are still a lot of things in this world we still do not understand, even for science. 100 years from now, science would even reveal more, but alas we will not be around by then.

gasband SG

And thats where the discussion will be. You have stated your beliefs and I have stated mine and I fully understand what you are trying to say. All I can say, is that believing in Jesus is not the most logical thing in this whole world and yes, putting our hopes in a person whom there are no physical evidences and in a world where so many things remain unanswered and a mystery may be a risk but a risk I have considered and was willing to take and thats where I am too today.

Rooney9 SG

tune into SMS, by dJ Fish

joan osbourne, what if god was one of us.

gasband SG

to each his/her own, but I strongly urge you to keen your mind open as possible. there are still a lot of things in this world we still do not understand, even for science. 100 years from now, science would even reveal more, but alas we will not be around by then.

I am, and I hope people around me see that I am. My strong belief in Jesus does not mean I am not open to listen to theories or reasonings or beliefs contrary to mine. For now, I can only say, I have not heard anything that convince me otherwise. But that doesnt make me closed to listening and understanding other stands and beliefs.

dadeadman1337 SG

This is partly the reason for my contention with the abrahamic religions, when some believers claim that they are 100% right. Such religious beliefs should cease to be taught in schools, when the teachers themselves know to a large extent that they might be wrong, but due to their beliefs, refuse to address the doubt

gasband SG

tune into SMS, by dJ Fish

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Rooney9 SG

gasband, try to read and know the other major and minor religions in this world, not in depth though, to aid your understanding of them. it helps to avoid misunderstanding and stereotype. alot of so called buddhist said cannot eat beef, but this is erroneous. the avoiding of eating beef is not a religious one. In India in the ancient past, cows toiled hard in the fields and farms, so out of respect for the poor animal, the people avoid eating beef.

gasband SG

I understand what you are trying to say. When what you try to push what you believe into someone's else throat, it becomes propaganda and no one likes that. Instead of saying that what I believe is 100% right , I simply say, I have 100% belief in what I believe in. Big difference in those 2 mentalities.

gasband SG

thanks for the suggestion and i will. religions and beliefs always hold an interesting place in my heart. Cultures and their behaviours and beliefs are always intriguing to me.

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