What are the reasons for your belief in God

last SG · 2010-01-11T00:34:18+00:00

so love is bad? then y fall in love? why marry?

despondent SG

ur posts on marriage are merely going in circles...let me be more specific...when ppl marry, do we look for statistics and evidence b4 deciding whether to marry? do we ask if the rate of blissful marriages is higher or divorce rate is higher b4 deciding on marriage?

truth is we often dun look at statistics...most of us dun even look for evidence...now if i ask u...prove to me tat if i get married, i wun eventually be divorced...how would u prove tis to me?

despondent SG

oh yes...it took man hundreds of yrs to discover tat earth wasnt flat but the bible in the OT alredi wrote tat earth wasnt flat...so wad a disgrace this was to humans...

btw, by saying tat we can look at our parents wif regards to marriage, u have juz answered ur own qn...there r 2 possibilities...1) our parents are happily married, 2) they are divorced...so the person in scenario 1 believes in blissful amrriages while the other in scenario 2 dun believe in blissful marriages...so wads the universal answer? person 2 will be very aggressive in trying to push away the fact that blissful marriages exist cos of wad he/she has experienced...yes, tats the word...experience...and we are toking abt PERSONAL experience cos person 1 experienced the direct opposite...so to person 1, blissful marriages do exist...

likewise, wads the diff btw christians and non-christians? the PERSONAL experiences we have that non-christians dun...you say there are sufferings, black sheep, killings within the faith, we acknowledge tat...isnt this like marriage? there are happy ones, sad ones, horrendous ones...so teh conclusion is, where do u place ur emphasis on? the positive or the negative? needless, to say where ur emphasis is depends heavily on ur experiences/non-experiences...

dadeadman1337 SG

truth is we often dun look at statistics...most of us dun even look for evidence...now if i ask u...prove to me tat if i get married, i wun eventually be divorced...how would u prove tis to me?

Yes, we usually don't look at the statistics, I guess that kinda answers your qn on why folks get married.I can't prove that you won't be divorced, but at the moment of marriage I would assume you love your spouse. Based on the evidence there and then, i would say you would enjoy marriage, however the conditions may change

dadeadman1337 SG

oh yes...it took man hundreds of yrs to discover tat earth wasnt flat but the bible in the OT alredi wrote tat earth wasnt flat...so wad a disgrace this was to humans...

I was mistaken on the flat earth part, but the church did claim the sun revolved around the earth... In response to the experience part, that argument holds little water to convert anyone to christianity. If many from all kinds of religion lay claim to their personal experiences, all we can say is that these "experiences" are actually figments of the imagination. Unlike that of marriage, which is a seen and proven reality. Are you likely to believe a man with a bad experience with his marriage, or one who says he had an argument with Zeus? I remember this phrase which i feel makes alot of sense. "We are all atheists without regards to Thor, Amon-ra or Zeus. Some of us just go one god further"

despondent SG

ok...but wad would u say if i tell u tat i dun agree wif that phrase which makes lots of sense to u? plus its non-sensical to me?

so from ur reply, u admit blissful marriages cannot be proven...actually, i am juz bringing across the pt whether it has ever occurred to u tat religion is juz like marriage...there is no universal evidence, juz personal ones...i dun deny tat ppl of other religions also has personal experiences...but the qn is does the god they experience claim to be the creator of the universe? from wad i noe. onli Allah and the christian God has made tat claim...

despondent SG

one more thing...we christians dun use the experience part to convert ppl to christianity...rather we bring up the experience part juz to make it known tat our belief and faith is based oon personal experiences, not proof...to convert, we rely on preaching of the gospel, praying and fasting and then let God do the rest...unlike other religions, christianity does not teach tat humans are the ones who converts others...

dadeadman1337 SG

ok...but wad would u say if i tell u tat i dun agree wif that phrase which makes lots of sense to u? plus its non-sensical to me?

So thats my point, no evidence. I joined christianity, never felt anything, and now im out. As for creation, i posted a link showing the creation story of many religions, christianity and islam are not alone...

dadeadman1337 SG

Usually in attempted conversion, people use threats, or baseless evidence saying a man died for our sins. If what the bible says is true, jesus died for blasphemy, akin to shouting in insult against allah in afghanistan today. How the story became changed is beyond me. Also, if the human element was removed from conversion, relying just on "god", christianity would have been extinguished centuries ago

Rooney9 SG

yes there are many other religions in this world with a creator concept, like Islam, Hinduism, Bhagavad Gita for example. so its very common till date.

Dark_Zero SG

Agree. Some pastor even have the cheek to say that chinese's religion is suspose to be christianity blah blah blah. Never belive in that. Anyway, I belive in God and exsistence of Jesus, as it had indeed changes my life, but I will not let the thing called "Christainity" to blind me from the very fact that the other religion exsist, and other theology and sciences that seem to be oppose to what the bible have shown. My only reason in church is to praise God, acknowledge the exsistence of Jesus (be it a prophet or a son of god, which does not really mattar to me since I not 100% christian), and the bible often contain words that enlighten us, which can be applied to our daily life.

stupidissmart SG

The overall reply which I made is simply showing pacal razor is not really a good reason for anyone to thrust into a religion. Does believing in jesus cost anything ? Yes. Time, money effort and on the serious side, maybe your route to redemption (from another religion pespective) And your argument stating about bearing the consequences, all religions tell the same grandfather thing. U cannot bear the consequences of any of their curse. It is meant tat way. Wat makes u think the 18th pit of hell from the taoist perspective is easier to bear than the christian hell ? Can u bear tat consequence, or other hell consequences ? I don't believe u. Scaring people into religion by using pascal razor is simply... trying to scare children or naive people...

dadeadman1337 SG

Erm, its Pascal's Wager, not razor, just to note.

Rooney9 SG

Erm, its Pascal's Wager, not razor, just to note.

who is this Pascal's Wager

dadeadman1337 SG

who is this Pascal's Wager

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager

Or basically the gamble if god exists you benefit, but lose out if u don't believe as a reason for theistic belief

despondent SG

to TS:

u remember u asked me b4 how to eliminate until christianity was left? now this is the part when the salvation issue comes in...correct me if i am wrong, but is there any other creationistic religion tat teaches salvation by grace other than christianity? in other words, u go heaven not by gd works.

dadeadman1337 SG

to TS:

As I have not read up much on other religions, I cannot profess to know.

Rooney9 SG

to TS:

I have no idea what u mean by go heaven not by gd works? btw whats salvation by grace?

despondent SG

my goodness...u have been interrogating christianity all these while without noeing wads salvation by grace which is the most fundamental and crucial teaching of christianity??? now i understand y we often end up in apple-orange arguments...cos u do not noe the most basic christian fundamentals...u ask any of the ex-christians here...i am sure they noe...

despondent SG

to TS:

i dunno abt other creationistic religions but for islam, its salvation by gd works...they get to heaven not by grace shown to them but by how well they have kept the commandments of Allah and his teachings...this is diff from christianity...this is a major difference...

dadeadman1337 SG

to TS:

Well I wouldn't agree with this view of Christianity completely, imagine if a person is kind and generous, a perfect model of a human being, but strongly opposes the idea of a god. Many Christians would say this guy would go to hell.

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