Why christainity is a real religion

last SG · 2009-11-17T07:44:26+00:00

If i have no faith in god no matter how much good deeds i go, i will go to helli go kill someone tomorrow then convert

ThunderFbolt SG

Also, the idea that something must be created if it is complex is flawed, just because we see a computer or a rock formation is complex. It is as if we are saying that all red objects are hot just because fire is red, which of course is not the case.

Larryteo SG

It's actually POINTLESS to argue about what happened when Earth was made because no one was there to witness it. Just mention archeology and the bible prophecies, okay you two?

ThunderFbolt SG

It's actually POINTLESS to argue about what happened when Earth was made because no one was there to witness it. Just mention archeology and the bible prophecies, okay you two?

we do have astrophysics, so there are people studying the origin of the universe, just like people studying ancient civilisations and ancient soothsayings.

Larryteo SG

Whatever. I'm tired of argueing... I'm gonna leave this topic alone now.

ThunderFbolt SG

Whatever. I'm tired of argueing... I'm gonna leave this topic alone now.

It is not an argument, it is a discussion of ideas. If you were passionate about Christ would you not want to understand more of why people are not?

laurence82 SG

then we will fight him and have our own guantanamo bay

googoomuck SG

Ooo... long post... okay, let me try...

1. regardless of whether days in 1st chapter of Genesis refer to actual 24 hours or millions of years, the time line is still wrong. The Genesis 1 creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. In Genesis, the earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals. The order of events known from science is just the opposite. (1:1-2:3) God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). Not to mention by the 2nd or 3rd day the time line should already be 24 hours to a day, since that was when God supposed already created the Earth.

2. A temporary flood on Earth is possible. A flood lasting 150+ days covering the highest mountains of the highest peaks is bullshit. There isn't enough water on Earth to cover up to the height of Bukit Timah Hill.

Also, isn't it strange that in Chap 1 he kept saying everything was good, and in Chap 6-7 he said everything was fucked up?

Noah sent out a dove to see if the waters have gone down. The dove returned with an olive branch. Wouldn't all the olive trees be dead being under water for 150+ days?

And... I remember my grandmum telling me that during every eclipse, one has to pick up pots and pans and bang away as loud as possible to scare away the dog of Er Lang Shen, who was eating the moon. And everytime up till today the moon survives! Does that signify the existance of Er Lang Shen's dog?

Do you consider yourself rational to believe that what you've read about the bible is not correct?

Or did you just copied and pasted from some self- proclaimed atheist websites?

ThunderFbolt SG

Do you consider yourself rational to believe that what you've read about the bible is not correct?

Or did you just copied and pasted from some self- proclaimed atheist websites?

yes, i do. obviously, i had to read the ideas before understanding them and hence i knew where to copy and paste parts of them in my reply to Fortmax777's post, but as each answer was targetted to each point...of course, my evaluation is my own.

please, if you may, to counter these views.

and i am surprised that you would ask such a question to me and not to Fortmax777, in that if he considers himself rational to believe that what he read about the bible is correct, or he just copied and pasted from some self-proclaimed christian website. it seems to be a cynical remark to me.

of course, if that was not your intent, i do apologize.

googoomuck SG

please, if you may, to counter these views.

of course, if that was not your intent, i do apologize.

If the bible says it, then that's it. If God can create the heavens and earth, light and darkness and everything in the begining, what is it that you think he cannot do?

If the bible did not explain the how or why, how else would you expect the believers to know.

Human intelligence is limited to understand the work of a creator.

The astrophysicists, cosmologists or astronomers are considered rational beings because of their intelligence.

One physicist said," When confronted with the order and beauty of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I'm sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it"

Who else is more rational than these scientists?

Dawnfirstlight SG

If the bible says it, then that's it. If God can create the heavens and earth, light and darkness and everything in the begining, what is it that you think he cannot do?

If the bible did not explain the how or why, how else would you expect the believers to know.

Human intelligence is limited to understand the work of a creator.

The astrophysicists, cosmologists or astronomers are considered rational beings because of their intelligence.

Who else is more rational than these scientists?

There is something He cannot do, He can't change the unbelievers to believers.

EchoStretch SG

(argh, why can't the world be quiet.... this topic has become warground)

Oh yeah, martial go go go. I support your idea as well. Jesus Christ is the Son of God the Almighty! He reigns forevermore. Don't worry, even with a billion non-believers going against us, we won't lose, cos "When God is for us, who can be against us? - Romans 8:31"

ThunderFbolt SG

If the bible says it, then that's it. If God can create the heavens and earth, light and darkness and everything in the begining, what is it that you think he cannot do?

If the bible did not explain the how or why, how else would you expect the believers to know.

Human intelligence is limited to understand the work of a creator.

The astrophysicists, cosmologists or astronomers are considered rational beings because of their intelligence.

Who else is more rational than these scientists?

he can't make a rock so heavy than he can't lift it it up i suppose. and that is only an assumption that there is a God that created the universe, written in a book which it itself says it's true.

a long time ago, people also believed that a Sun God rode the chariot of fire across the sky everyday, and hence why the Sun moves across the sky. people also believed that there was a pretty lady goddess with a cute rabbit living on the moon. however, while there are probably people out there still believing such stories, we know them to be false. why? it is because these stories were created to explain the unknown before they were studied.

notice how the Christian god in this case is seen to be the creator of everything and nothing. is he/she hence the god of nothing but of knowledge as yet unknown?

as to human intel being limited, why do you assume so?

and while i agree with you that scientists are rational, i believe you misunderstand the purpose of science today. it is not to fight the petty arguments between religion and nonreligion, but to attain a better understanding of the natural world. science having facts that back-up either for or against religion is just a boon.

laffin123 SG

If the bible says it, then that's it. If God can create the heavens and earth, light and darkness and everything in the begining, what is it that you think he cannot do?

If the bible did not explain the how or why, how else would you expect the believers to know.

Human intelligence is limited to understand the work of a creator.

The astrophysicists, cosmologists or astronomers are considered rational beings because of their intelligence.

Who else is more rational than these scientists?

googoomuck,

there is really no point using prominent or obscure physicists to thumb down the atheist here. We may not be smarter than them, but I am sure to tell you I am not hallucinating. I am sure the rest of the atheists here will say the same thing too.

We do not live each day thinking that we can meet god after our death.

laffin

"when one believes in a false idea, it is called hallucination. When many believe in a same false idea, it is called religion."

ThunderFbolt SG

(argh, why can't the world be quiet.... this topic has become warground)

(because God made it that way =) )

don't forget the Crusades, where Christians lost to the Muslims. =)

hmm... actually thinking about it, Muslims win plenty of wars. Maybe that is a sign that Islam is the right religion to believe in? =P

googoomuck SG

googoomuck,

We do not live each day thinking that we can meet god after our death.

laffin

"when one believes in a false idea, it is called hallucination. When many believe in a same false idea, it is called religion."

There's a point.

Since you are into science, who is more rational in reasoning then the scientists? You are the one who believe in their discoveries or theories.

ThunderFbolt SG

googoomuck,

We do not live each day thinking that we can meet god after our death.

laffin

"when one believes in a false idea, it is called hallucination. When many believe in a same false idea, it is called religion."

well, everyone does need to keep an open mind about religions and other people's beliefs. what is important is to try to have a better understanding of each religion and then comes to his/her own conclusion of the matter.i do have a very dear friend of mine who studies religion and philosophy to a great extent, and she believes in Buddhism. discussions do get awesome though. =)

and you must admit that religious groups do help others all around the world. though it does make you wonder if they would help anyway regardless of their religious affliation.

EchoStretch SG

There is something He cannot do, He can't change the unbelievers to believers.

no, i'm dead sure he can. btw, if you're speaking in context of mass change, then yes, my believe and reply is he can. on the other hand, if you're talking about converting individual non-believers to being christians, hey why not... you mean there's no one on earth who's born non-christian and die christian? I already know some people in my church who are new believers.

ThunderFbolt SG

There's a point.

Since you are into science, who is more rational in reasoning then the scientists? You are the one who believe in their discoveries or theories.

people generally believe in scientists because their discoveries can be backed up and their experiments repeated. religion, however, is based faith and believing that a claim to be true without any evidence whatsoever. hence the criticism toward all religions.

laffin123 SG

There's a point.

Since you are into science, who is more rational in reasoning then the scientists? You are the one who believe in their discoveries or theories.

You can add one more line (in blue below) in your previous reply:

Since you are into science, who is more rational in reasoning then the scientists? You are the one who believe in their discoveries or theories. Science is evolving and advancing, and the scientist tomorrow will bring new insight and we can un-learn and learn again.

laffin

googoomuck SG

There is something He cannot do, He can't change the unbelievers to believers.

There's free will.

Do you mean He won't change unbelievers into believers?

Let's assume that you have children. Do you buy them out with money to respect you as a father or do you prefer their recpect for you to come from their hearts?

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