Forming a Torah observant community

last SG · 2010-02-09T17:56:24+00:00

Hi Catknight.I think its commendable you want to know God more...but I'm just abit puzzled why and how you come to the seperation of the bible to just the To...

breytonhartge SG

This seems like a rather extreme view, which many don't hold today

when you talk about Yahweh, you have to take the whole thing into context, not just as the christians today preach a G_d of love, grace etc... the christians seem to forget that they are worshipping the G_d of Avraham, Yitzak and Yaakov... it is the whole book of the bible that describes who He is, what He wants and how we interact with Him.

dadeadman1337 SG

⁵^(A)The LORD descended in the cloud and stood there with him as he called upon the name of the LORD.

⁶Then the LORD passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The LORD, the LORD God, ^(B)compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth;

⁷who ^(C)keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He ^(D)will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, ^(E)visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations."

⁸ "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. ⁹ You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, ¹⁰ but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

These passages dictate a malevolent deity, what some might call the devil today

Larryteo SG

These passages dictate a malevolent deity, what some might call the devil today

Not a devil, but a lady gaga.

breytonhartge SG

These passages dictate a malevolent deity, what some might call the devil today

I beg to differ. The G_d of the bible is a fair G_d, yet you cannot expect Him to tolerate people who are unrighteous and who are sinful. The warning has always been given.

dadeadman1337 SG

I beg to differ. The G_d of the bible is a fair G_d, yet you cannot expect Him to tolerate people who are unrighteous and who are sinful. The warning has always been given.

Even extermination based on race and religion? It is certainly ironic that we call Hitler a murderer for his extermination of Jews, but don't flinch after reading the racist genocides depicted in the bible. It really shows how a religion can use the excuse of god to justify anything, which is my main contendment with the abrahamic religions. Why would god actually command his followers to kill when he could just do it himself? It certainly seems that god is not the actual voice to the people, but rather the justification of it.

breytonhartge SG

If you read through the Tenakh, you will realise that G_d applies the same standard across the board to EVERYONE, when His own chosen people sinned, the same punishment was meted out.

Numbers 15:15 There shall be one Torah for the foreigner and the Jew alike.

dadeadman1337 SG

If you read through the Tenakh, you will realise that G_d applies the same standard across the board to EVERYONE, when His own chosen people sinned, the same punishment was meted out.

Numbers 15:15 There shall be one Torah for the foreigner and the Jew alike.

The same standard? Your post referenced the Jews as being "chosen people", that already shows a clear disparity

Larryteo SG

The jews are chosen people. God preferred their illiterate ancestors over ours. What bias and hypocrisy to themselves.

breytonhartge SG

The same standard? Your post referenced the Jews as being "chosen people", that already shows a clear disparity

there is no disparity because anyone who wishes to join with the people of Hashem are most welcome to.

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