Christian parents forcing their children to go church

breytonhartge SG

friend, i have not promised anything. yes, i cannot guarantee anything, that's why if you have read my posts earlier on i'm telling you and the rest of the world, it's okay to have a different opinion and beliefs. i'm not even teaching, i'm just quoting the bible. if you think i'm preaching, it's your opinion and i'm not going to try changing that.

My dear, I really don't see any verse you have put up to put your point across.

Just wind back for a minute and think, supposing you were having this conversation with a friend and this certain person heard what you said, would not this person go off with the wrong message in his head? It's too misleading and dangerous to put it across that way.. exactly for that fact that you cannot guarantee that Yahweh will be that generous that you should not speak about this very point.

Besides, we are not talking about what religion I want to be but the religion that you believe, a religion is only as strong as its followers and if you cannot grasp the basic tenents of your religion, how can you speak about it?

laurence82 SG

so i do see people wanting to have last word, contradicting basically whatever they said

despondent SG

brey, antinomianism has the same meaning as cheap grace...i have met catholics like novelltie...they r usually not very concern abt the salvation of the lost. reason being they believe tat the lost can still go heaven if they repent during or after the purgatory. i have met catholics who tell me tat its not logical for God to send buddhist monks, taoist priests n such righteous n holy ppl to hell...so they sincerely believe tat such ppl can go heaven...

yes, i noe the non-christians in tis forum will embrace such christians since they appear more at peace n less self-righteous...basically, novelltie falls in the category of catholics who believe tat accumulating enuff gd works can get u to heaven...one pt to note is tat protestants usually dun take such a stand...such a stand can onli be found among the catholics where mainstream christianity is concerned...

breytonhartge SG

Ah.. but the bible clearly states that works alone cannot save.... and that is really not what turning back to Yahweh is about. My question is that if Yahweh was such a jealous G_d, why would he want the priest of another "god" to enter into salvation? I mean like in the OT, these people wer supposed to be killed, destroyed etc.. just does not make sense to me. BTW, being a buddhist monk or a taoist priest does not make one automatically righteous in the eyes of Yahweh...puzzled.

breytonhartge SG

so i do see people wanting to have last word, contradicting basically whatever they said

kekekeke....

laurence82 SG

kekekeke....

tsk, no salary no talk

novelltie SG

i must say you are very very wise...

yes, i sincerely believe that all good men goes to heaven irregardless of religion and all sinful men, if repented can still enter heaven. i am very convinced that the Lord is generous and kind. this is my opinion and you may object but again, it's my opinion.

without His generousity, i would have never met my wife for i was a very big sinner then. i committed adultery like no one cared, i've committed sins that deserves retribution but the Lord was kind enough to allow me to meet my wife who changed my perspectives. He gave me opportunities to work and earn enough for a wedding when times were bad and my qualifications pretty lame; a diploma in info-communications gets you nowhere.

the Lord was kind and generous in my opinion and though i hate to admit it... He watches over me, just like He does to the rest of the world.

+Sikoyo+ SG

i must say you are very very wise...

the Lord was kind and generous in my opinion and though i hate to admit it... He watches over me, just like He does to the rest of the world.

*Applauds*

novelltie SG

a Buddhist friend once gave me something to ponder...

how do you know if God was not the creator behind Buddhism? how do you know if the reason behind all religions is actually a game between God and Satan?

i have no answer... but when you queried about why God would want the priest of another god to enter salvation, this question came to my mind.

i'm not trying to pick a fight or argue back; just something that flashed into my mind when i read your post.

breytonhartge SG

i must say you are very very wise...

the Lord was kind and generous in my opinion and though i hate to admit it... He watches over me, just like He does to the rest of the world.

Then follow Him and all His ways. Understand who your G_d is and what He requires from you.

If all good men go to heaven regardless of religion, then we need a definiton of what is good in the sight of Yahweh. If you don't have that definition, then you are just aiming at a moving target and Yahweh is not that wishy washy. He is clear and precise as to what He wants from you and He is the same yesterday, today and forever.

novelltie SG

i mean, in a Christian point of view; everything is created by God and everything belongs to Him... including all religions and all races of men and women...

so, indirectly... just guessing and jumping into conclusion plus assuming (making an ass of me and you) God is behind Taoism, Buddhism and Islam, won't a Taoist priest be under His care and also liable to enter Heaven?

breytonhartge SG

a Buddhist friend once gave me something to ponder...

how do you know if God was not the creator behind Buddhism? how do you know if the reason behind all religions is actually a game between God and Satan?

i have no answer... but when you queried about why God would want the priest of another god to enter salvation, this question came to my mind.

i'm not trying to pick a fight or argue back; just something that flashed into my mind when i read your post.

Very simple because buddhism is not what is written in the bible. Yahweh is not a G_d of confusion and He is not a G_d of contradiction, for if He did He would not be clear about who He is and what He is about. Something else for you to ponder then.

The point you make about religions is almost on the mark, but its not a game that Hashem would play, but one hasatan would play with us mortals. G_d does not play games.

xalkyrie SG

maybe i am wrong, maybe it's just my perception... maybe i'm just being silly but i remembered i was told that sinful man can still enter the gates of Heaven if he repents at the last minute or second.

we have this thing call last rites for dying men and women... it is the last chance for them to reconcile with God before they breath their last. it was believed or rather i believed that a man may be sinful and may be notorious during the years of his life but at the end, before the end he confessed to God during the last rites that he was a great sinner and he feels deep remorse for the sins he committed. i also remember if he declare that he believe that God is the Almighty and he pray for salvation earnestly, he will receive grace and he shall be allowed to enter the gates of St. Peter.

or if Heaven does not allow immediate entry, there is a place call Purgatory where souls are being purified before entering Heaven... so in lame man's term; one can still enter the gates of Heaven if one is truly repenten of his sins...

this is purely my personal opinion.

the dead cannot make that choice anymore. if you read on the parable of lazarus and the rich man, the rich man didn't repent and it's impossible to cross over.

this is something i read on psalm 88.

Do you show your wonders to the dead?
Do those who are dead rise up and praise you?
Selah

Is your love declared in the grave,
your faithfulness in Destruction?

Are your wonders known in the place of darkness,
or your righteous deeds in the land of oblivion? psalm 88:10-12

novelltie SG

Then follow Him and all His ways. Understand who your G_d is and what He requires from you.

all good men and sinful men who repented can go to heaven so... in that aspect; what definition do you need?

the Lord gave us the Law that governs us today... you shall not steal, you shall not kill, you shall not commit fraud and blah blah...

if you live within the law, then you are half way there... the next part is are you living morally as the law does not cover that aspect eg. adultery

then we should look if we live a life worthy of Christ. if we show love and compassion for a fellow neighbour, if we assist those in need... if we have good character.

i believe, in my opinion if you fulfill all those 3 aspects, you should be liable for a one way ticket to Heaven. again it's my opinion.

breytonhartge SG

i mean, in a Christian point of view; everything is created by God and everything belongs to Him... including all religions and all races of men and women...

so then why do you believe? why choose christianity over all other religions? how then do you explain this:

I am the LORD your G_d, which have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

novelltie SG

the dead cannot make that choice anymore. if you read on the parable of lazarus and the rich man, the rich man didn't repent and it's impossible to cross over.

this is something i read on psalm 88.

Do you show your wonders to the dead?
Do those who are dead rise up and praise you?
Selah

Is your love declared in the grave,
your faithfulness in Destruction?

Are your wonders known in the place of darkness,
or your righteous deeds in the land of oblivion? psalm 88:10-12

that's why we Catholics pray the Rosary... for Mother Mary told us through Mother Theresea that when we pray for the souls in purgatory, their burden might be lighter and they might enter Heaven earlier...

http://catholicism.about.com/od/prayersforthedead/Prayers_for_the_Faithful_Departed.htm

we were taught that the dead does not have the ability to choose anymore so we are asked to pray for them in purgatory... and also, make that choice while we still can on earth.

xalkyrie SG

So He does not exist elsewhere?

It does matter from your pov, because if a good person goes to heaven and a bad person goes to "hell" then the definition of who is good is important. So what is that definition?

Mark 10:18
So Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, G_d.

Micah 6: 8

He has shown you, O man, what is good;
And what does the ADONAI require of you
But to do justly,
To love mercy,
And to walk humbly with your G_d?

So then the question is how do you walk humbly with your G_d?

Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. luke 9:23-24

this is a step on walking humbly with God.

breytonhartge SG

all good men and sinful men who repented can go to heaven so... in that aspect; what definition do you need?

the Lord gave us the Law that governs us today... you shall not steal, you shall not kill, you shall not commit fraud and blah blah...

if you live within the law, then you are half way there... the next part is are you living morally as the law does not cover that aspect eg. adultery

then we should look if we live a life worthy of Christ. if we show love and compassion for a fellow neighbour, if we assist those in need... if we have good character.

i believe, in my opinion if you fulfill all those 3 aspects, you should be liable for a one way ticket to Heaven. again it's my opinion.

What then does it mean to repent? What are you repenting from?

So again I ask you what is the law? What are His commandments?

Err.. are you sure that the moral aspects of the law do not cover adultery? I believe that it is the seventh mitzvot given to us by Elohim.

What is the most important aspect of the way Yeshua lived?

Again I ask, where does it say in the bible that we are going to heaven?

breytonhartge SG

where is this ever mentioned in the bible? the bible clearly states that when one dies, you are sleeping in your grave until the day of judgement.

breytonhartge SG

this is a step on walking humbly with God.

No qualms with that bit.

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