Chinese scholar reveals success of the western world!

kager82 SG

That has always been my main beef with Religion. For a deliberate creation of God, we're incredibly flawed with the way we gather information and shape our perception of the world around us. Time and time again, religious texts and Science have reminded us of this yet we continue to commit the same mistakes.

Perfection is always subjective, just the same as some men would like plump women over supermodels and how some supermodels look replusive with their anorexic figures.

So a perfect God simply does not exist, because through difference of wants and needs we would all have a different acceptance level to the ideal of "perfection". An extremely intelligent God perhaps, but what is perfect for you would not be for me.

Humans fail to understand that the Bible, the Quran, the Buddhist and Hindu Scriptures, Science itself is only but the first steps towards understanding Creation/Creator/God. It is NOT the end goal.

Unfortunately in the current world, there are just too much people that wield power based on the groundless assumption that the logic is flawless and stand to lose everything if the flaw is understood by the masses.

Individuals such as googoomuck live their entire existence around such assumptions and would never be able to accept the possibility that their logic was flawed from the getgo, akin to a house built with only a supporting pillar, if it is built poorly it would collapse the moment it face the undeniable fury of Nature.

I am though, hardly anywhere near the Truth anymore than he is. But my pillars can be removed and repositioned accordingly to my observation of Nature.

The problem is not purely religion, it is Faith itself. That ability that served us so well as we moved from being a simple animal to understanding music and the arts. Reason and logic can only serve us as effectively as the amount of information we have, resorting to faith in decision making is an unescapable path.

But like all medicine, it is a poison when taken in large dosages.

Phew... Quite a big plate you've got here... =P

Hmm... I'm sure you've gone through quite a lot of reading up and thinking regarding this topic altogether before coming to this conclusion as a whole.

Personally, I prefer things to be discussed in this way, understanding and respecting individual beliefs and point of views, rather than going on and on trying to convince others of our own views.

I reckon that the bible teaches us the "Who and Why" of creation, while science tells us the "How & What" of it... So it will really take lots of time for us, maybe eternity to understand God's purpose.

"He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from the beginning to end" (Ecclesiastes 3:11)

googoomuck SG

Perfection is always subjective, just the same as some men would like plump women over supermodels and how some supermodels look replusive with their anorexic figures.

Humans fail to understand that the Bible, the Quran, the Buddhist and Hindu Scriptures, Science itself is only but the first steps towards understanding Creation/Creator/God. It is NOT the end goal.

I am though, hardly anywhere near the Truth anymore than he is. But my pillars can be removed and repositioned accordingly to my observation of Nature.

But like all medicine, it is a poison when taken in large dosages.

"Individuals such as googoomuck live their entire existence around such assumptions and would never be able to accept the possibility that their logic was flawed from the getgo, akin to a house built with only a supporting pillar, if it is built poorly it would collapse the moment it face the undeniable fury of Nature." That's just your opinion, Stevenson101.

Let's see what you believe.

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1381/topics/355148

You believe in God and evolution.

At the same time, you are more of an agnostic than an atheist(your response to kager82).

What you 've said doesn't make sense. Must be taqiyya at work here.

Telling the truth is better because the truth is easier to remember. There's no contradictions in truth.

kager82 SG

Let's see what you believe.

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1381/topics/355148

You believe in God and evolution.

At the same time, you are more of an agnostic than an atheist(your response to kager82).

What you 've said doesn't make sense. Must be taqiyya at work here.

Telling the truth is better because the truth is easier to remember. There's no contradictions in truth.

The heat is rising again... Fellow Chirstians... Relax... =)

Stevenson101 SG

The heat is rising again... Fellow Chirstians... Relax... =)

Heh i find the best way to deal with this is always to ignore him. Responding to him is just going to give him needless self worth.

Stevenson101 SG

Phew... Quite a big plate you've got here... =P

Hmm... I'm sure you've gone through quite a lot of reading up and thinking regarding this topic altogether before coming to this conclusion as a whole.

Personally, I prefer things to be discussed in this way, understanding and respecting individual beliefs and point of views, rather than going on and on trying to convince others of our own views.

"He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from the beginning to end" (Ecclesiastes 3:11)

Each individual beliefs and point of views has to have its own valid points in order to gain any significant following. Even though it may ignore the greater context when reality is factored in, in that little bubble of the belief and point of view it makes perfect sense.

Islam was considered forward thinking at its time of conception and i actually found it (From my reading of Bhuzir Bhutto's memoirs) more flexible in ideas and thinking over Christianity. However the world changed, but the beliefs which was conceptalize in a different time period did not. And thus here we are.

In simpler terms, i accept that my views are limited based on the amount of information i've absorbed, that any conclusions i form is based on what i know and understand before and has to be modified as new information and exceptions to the rule streams in.

The eye actually absorbs a great deal of information, but the brain only focuses and attempts to translate/understand only about a thumbnail amount of it. To attempt to absorb and understand more would sacrifice response speed (bad when we are being chased by a sabretooth or hunting a mammoth).

This is a crucial point in understanding the world around us and is to my knowledge a relatively new Science. In the cavemen time, reflexes and single minded problem solving is prized. Anyone who attempts to think too much would be easily outbred by others who does things more than they think.

We are the products of such humans, reality favours the more aggressive Windows over the arty farty Macintosh.

I don't really see why Science and Evolution could even clash with God. None of us could ever commit heresy towards God, to imply as such is to suggest that God could actually make mistakes or things could happen outside his/her/it designs. Which is more insulting then?

Who would you respect more? The repairman that could get everything done, or the repairman you have to keep calling back to intervene in the system?

kager82 SG

We are the products of such humans, reality favours the more aggressive Windows over the arty farty Macintosh.

Who would you respect more? The repairman that could get everything done, or the repairman you have to keep calling back to intervene in the system?

Actually, Science must co-exist with God teachings... That is what I felt... =)

Stevenson101 SG

Actually, Science must co-exist with God teachings... That is what I felt... =)

It's a rather questionable view, do you mean that scientific discoveries must be made in line with God's teachings?

The problem is how much of God's teachings are really God's teachings in the first place. None of it is written personally by God, they are written by men claiming to represent the Will of God.

An argument made by someone earlier in this thread already said the Bible is the creation of the Roman Empire. How much teachings were cherry picked to mesh with the political views of that time?

Miracles&Prophecies SG

if thats the case we would have all converted to Christianity since 1965. LKY himself would have passed a law to ensure that.

Your bloody regime hate Christianity.

Catknight SG

Religions brought science and culture to western world , I would said western cultures and the rest of the world business went on with or without them....it would seem strange why educated people still subscribe to rites and clergy without enquiry...

Stevenson101 SG

Your bloody regime hate Christianity.

Oh let's not be modest here, your regime did a far more efficient job over ours.

googoomuck SG

Heh i find the best way to deal with this is always to ignore him. Responding to him is just going to give him needless self worth.

Don't flatter yourself leh.

I've already shown that you've contradicted yourself. What are you actually?

A hybrid?

googoomuck SG

I get what you mean. I was attending church service and bible study regularly when I was a christian. Fellowship with christians. These open my eyes to . . . . .

Isn't it wonderful ? After finding what Chrisitanity is about, you are free to leave.

You need not watch your back all the time, worrying that one day, someone will smite your neck!.

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