Equality Before God

dumbdumb! SG

"Appears Again"???!!! hahaha I tot HE is EVERYWHERE?

Excuses... excuses....

Either too indecent to show Himself even if it is to save humans from eternal hell that He is going to send them, or there are a bunch of delusionals, too weak minded to face reality and need a crutch to live.

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Hmm, just a question, do you agree that we are all free, totally uninfluenced by any spiritual entity or human influence, to make our own choices, and then living with the responsibility of the choices we make

dAiyAm0nd0 SG

why are u so aggresive, andrew?

AndrewPKYap SG

why are u so aggresive, andrew?

character flaw....

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AndrewPKYap SG

...ah... free choice... sooner or later it crops up to explain why God is hiding like a cocroach under a rock.... but it does not explain why people are warned to behave and if people are warned, that, does not explain why God cannot come out of his hiding place to warn people....

But

Regarding "choice"; some schools of thought do not accept that humans have free will to make their choices.

For example, just as a shark cannot decide to live on land, man cannot choose to live in water naturally.

Man is constrained by the reality that is the limitation of his body. As far as living naturally under water is concerned, he does not have free will. If I can point out an instance where humans do not have free will but is constrained, that shows that to say humans have free will is rubbish.

Let's take sex for example. If man is non sexual or at least, reproduction does not entails strong urges and pleasure, there will be no sexual crimes. You will not read about men having sex with underage girls.

... but I guess for people that takes the easy way out... just believe, don't think, all this is too much to try to understand.

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dAiyAm0nd0 SG

we share similar beliefs.. but i think u're too mad to do anything constructive o.o

dadeadman1337 SG

What makes you think that God favours one race over another in this life ? How has he done so ?

Read the bible and first post. The bible says we are not in the garden of eden because of adam and eve's sins, so now its punishing the children for what their parents have done. In this perspective if u offend me can i kill your son? Its clearly supportive of the blood feuds in the past, the bible contradicts itself

AndrewPKYap SG

...and dont forget those passages that says, "After you have conquered them, ....kill the men, the women, the children, the cattle and burn the crops...."

Genocide that does not even let the children and animals off......

Contradict is to put it mildly.

Omnia SG

What does this have to do with God favouring one race over another ?!

dadeadman1337 SG

the bible constantly mentions jews being the chosen ppl, so christianity is following the bible why? church teaches peace yet bible mentions kill false prophets, aka everyone else. bible says god is forgiving, whrs our garden of eden.

dumbdumb! SG

But

Regarding "choice"; some schools of thought do not accept that humans have free will to make their choices.

For example, just as a shark cannot decide to live on land, man cannot choose to live in water naturally.

... but I guess for people that takes the easy way out... just believe, don't think, all this is too much to try to understand.

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you didn't answer the question. do you think that we are all free to make our choice, and live with the consequences of the choices we make?

Omnia SG

Yes, God made a covenant with the Israelites in old testament times which has since been replaced with a new covenant with all peoples, both Jews and Gentiles (non-Jews) when Jesus Christ, who is God, came into this world as a flesh and blood human.

Coming back to my original query regarding your assertion which you have yet to answer; how has God favoured one race (presumably you refer to the Jewish race) over other races such that you're concerned that he may not be 'fair' on judgement day ?

Omnia SG

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dadeadman1337 SG

Could u provide the verse of this new covenant? Hey in real life i dont believe in god but u see inequality everywhere. Look in africa and the beggars dying. If the argument is god made us to do something about it, then did he make Hitler to spark a war? If you're gonna say he gave us free will, why did god infringe on that in the bible, killing his people for praying to the gold bull in moses time.

Omnia SG

Regarding the new covenant, you can read verses like Luke 22:19-20 (words of Jesus at the last supper) and Hebrews Chap 8 (I believe the author is also quoting Jeremiah 31:31 from verse 8 onwards).

I fully agree with you that there are lots of inequality in this world (in terms of material/mental well being, the ability to live in a dignified manner etc). Which is why in my original post, I had explained (in answer to your comments) that in my view, equality before God "does not mean that we will all be equally prosperous etc in this temporal life". It means that God does not discriminate based on our earthly statuses (president or janitor etc) and when we face God after we die, "he will judge us according to our faith and how we lived our lives, ie: our good works and our unrepented sins. It does not matter whether we are rich or poor, strong or weak, Singaporean or Malaysian, Chinese or Eurasian."

You might also be interested to read Matt 25:31-46. In this story about the separation of sheep from goats, Jesus taught us the importance of charity, to right these inequalities whenever we can in our own little ways, because it affects our eternal salvation (ability to get to heaven).

AndrewPKYap SG

you didn't answer the question. do you think that we are all free to make our choice, and live with the consequences of the choices we make?

huh? What is this quoted below?

But

Regarding "choice"; some schools of thought do not accept that humans have free will to make their choices.

For example, just as a shark cannot decide to live on land, man cannot choose to live in water naturally.

... but I guess for people that takes the easy way out... just believe, don't think, all this is too much to try to understand.

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+Sikoyo+ SG

The first commandment of God states that one is not to worship other gods or idols besides the Lord your God. So those people who prayed to the golden bull has already "betrayed" God. Well if u r betrayed...u know...

dAiyAm0nd0 SG

if god is all powerful, he will not succumb to emotions (since he created everything, then i think that includes emotions, as christians claim).

then why would he feel angry/jealous when betrayed?

+Sikoyo+ SG

if god is all powerful, he will not succumb to emotions (since he created everything, then i think that includes emotions, as christians claim).

then why would he feel angry/jealous when betrayed?

The mother of all rules. Every country, nation & king has its own set of rules. If there were no rules, chaos would be everywhere. I dun think even a simple human being would wants chaos right?

dadeadman1337 SG

If god did not want chaos then why did he give free will? Being a god he would have anticipated it. He infringed on that free will in the bible, why is he not doing so now? Got people in the streets gunning others down, i dont see him being turned to stone? Or the oceans parting so the Jews could escape from the Nazis? What happen? After the bible was written did god lose his power?

dumbdumb! SG

free will is rather precious leh. it talks alot about trust. it's like.. you trust your teenager enough to make his own choices.

hmm, what do you mean by infringing on the free will?

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