God gives you freedom, and then forces you to do as He Comma

Ipirate SG

dumbdumb!

This is true but then fry you in hell forever.

Does He have the right?

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Ipirate SG

MyNameisNas

The question then becomes, did He give up the right to punis?

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Chin Eng SG

Chin Eng
But we do sin.

What do you mean?

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DL

The freedom spoken in the Bible is the freedom from the grip of sin in that it no longer bring us the consequence of sin.... insomuch we follow Jesus's path.

The freedom spoken in the Bible is NOT - we can now suka suka do anything you want.

EarlNeo SG

wat's the point of giving u something to use if u gona end up punished for using it other then itis intended for?

domonkassyu SG

i think you may not have understood the freedom part as much as you should...

God gives us freedom FROM SIN, and not freedom itself.

We are not free to do as we please, and if anyone is tell you this, he is grossly mistaken.

hmm..then im grossly mistaken??remeber adam and eve??freedom from sin as they were perfect..they had all kinds of freedom..even freedom to pluck the fruit of KoGaB..even eat it..however..it was considered the first human sin...

God gave all intelligent beings freedom to choice ie freewill..satan and friends chose to sin..think commandmants from God as a instruction manual...total freedom only leads to chaos...

to TS..imagine you have a kid..and he has the freedom to move around right??out of your love for him, would you tell him moving over the edge of a cliff kills??is it not the same in the garden of eden when God told adam he would die should he sin??

domonkassyu SG

do you believe that everything is arranged by God?

nonsensical actually..if God predestined all things..why do he gives you freewill??so people can say he is being redundant??

domonkassyu SG

Ong.soosiang883

And if we do not follow His rules then off to hell forever. Is this your idea of freedom.

Sound more like slavery to me.

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thats why to even think there is an eternal hell to punish some 100 years of sin a man can possibly commit is nonsense and unfair..is God unfair??i dont think so..

davidche SG

In this case, i think we do have freedom to do anything we want.

There is a consequence in doing anything, soem are bad, others good.

24/7 SG

domon:

just a comment. before the fall, adam and eve were not free from sin because there was no sin to speak of. Freedom =/= license to do as we will and please but freedom from sin's bondage. Put it simply, people who used to be addicted to drugs have kicked the habit with the power of the Holy Spirit.

domonkassyu SG

In this case, i think we do have freedom to do anything we want.

There is a consequence in doing anything, soem are bad, others good.

yes we can do anything...but can you bear the consequences??thats the only problem

domonkassyu SG

domon:

not free because there was no sin..wow..zen...they were free because there was no sin..until they decided to sin..btw, if you realized..adam n wife started the 1st human sin..not the 1st sin..satan the bogey man started the 1st sin way before the humans....

freedom= free from effects of sin(aka perfection)..this i agree..but this is the spiritual sense..the physical aspect means you can do whatever you can..thats where the freewill thingy is..

ex addicts who kicked the habit with holy spirit...try saying that to a muslim or taoist and see their response??ex addicts who ask for the holy spirit to help them kick the habit eventually kick the habit with God's help throught the holy spirit issuing from God..

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