God Prefers Atheists

Herzog_Zwei SG

Hmm I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I wasn't referring to the comic stip in that particular quote.

And I think you purposefully misunderstood me.

Zandermccoll SG

"give example of atheist kill christian?"

My last few sentences there refer to googoomuck's "Throughout history, there are documented cases of atheists killing Chrisitans for their faith."

So I oso donno. But I want to know. that's why asking, heh

Who's Godfrey?

googoomuck SG

Internet says Nero wasn't Atheist, in faact..

At the end of 66, conflict broke out between Greeks and Jews in Jerusalem and Caesarea. According to a Jewish tradition in the Talmud (tractate Gitin 56a-b), Nero went to Jerusalem and told his men to shoot arrows in all four directions. All the arrows landed in the city. He then asked a passing child to repeat the verse he had learned that day. The child responded "I will lay my vengeance upon Edom by the hand of my people Israel" (Ez. 25,14). Nero became terrified, believing that God wanted the Temple in Jerusalem to be destroyed, but would punish him if it was. Nero said, "He desires to lay waste His House and to lay the blame on me," whereupon he fled and converted to Judaism to avoid such retribution.

.. but this is Wikipedia, so we may have to take it with a grain of salt.

"Early Christian tradition often holds Nero as the first persecutor of Christians and as the killer of Apostles Peter and Paul. There was also a belief among some early Christians that Nero was an Antichrist."

As to why he persecuted the Christians.. I cant find anything in the page.

But other sources suggest.. misunderstanding!
"In 64 CE Rome underwent a catastrophic fire, which some believed had been set at the orders of the emperor himself. Tacitus claims that Nero tried to shift the blame to the unpopular Christians, though other sources indicate that their persecution may have been unconnected to the fire. It is not clear exactly why many Romans so detested the new believers, though Christians were often confused with Jews, who were accused of being rebellious (with some reason, since the Jews of Judaea more than once created insurrections against the Roman provincial government) and lazy (since they rested on the Sabbath)."

But I'd like to know why the atheists killed christians for their faith. Not believing strongly in any faith, I'd think that they wouldnt have any action against others besides critique? Scrutiny, even? Murder, though... leaves me confused. Could it be attributed to the lower level of civilisation back then?

What made a Christian 'hate-able' to these Atheists?
[omg it's just a comic.. but conversation/discussion is interesting, I suppose]

Don't be biased in your posting. From the same article that you've posted but this paragraph not included in your post:

The early Christians were deemed to be stubborn because of their refusal to perform the token ritual acknowledging the divine status of the Emperor.

Zandermccoll SG

Sorry.. I just took what caught my eye (was hunting for Nero's reasons for persecution) first
danke danke

Miracles&Prophecies SG

And I think you purposefully misunderstood me.

No I did not.

dibilo SG

I don't laugh at it I don't find it particularly funny.

I'm not offended by it either.

Let me ask you a question.

Have you ever ask God for any assistance at all? Eg, to remove the sickness of your loved one, passing of exam etc? if you did, then the 1st comic is true, because non believers don't pray to god for that.

An example for the 2nd one is that I have heard many believers saying that they are not having pre marital sex because they are following God's advice. For non believers, they choose not to engage in pre marital sex because they are not ready to have a baby. Thus the 2nd comic also depicts the truth.

as for the 3rd part, you have seen for yourself what Osama did.

Since this comic is purely depicting what is truly happening around us in a light hearted manner, I dont think you should have such strong reactions towards it.

I am also one of those who laughed after reading the comic. While reading it, I wasnt even bothered if God has any favouritism towards me. I read the comic and appreciate the humour behind it. But after reading your posts, all the strong, negative language used really reflects badly on you and your religion. It is telling all others that you and your religion is much too conservative that doesnt accept / is not open to any form of criticism even when it is something as minor as a comic strip.

Though i am saying this, I have many good christian friends... and they are my friends because they are not as extreme as you. Learn to accept others opinions and take that comic with a pinch of salt. If you think its not true then ignore it. There is no need to attack anyone or to defend your religion. Those who believe in your religion should already know in their heart that whatever said is not true. Those non believers basically just wanted to enjoy a good laugh and we mean no harm.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

Let me ask you a question.

as for the 3rd part, you have seen for yourself what Osama did.

Since this comic is purely depicting what is truly happening around us in a light hearted manner, I dont think you should have such strong reactions towards it.

My strong reaction? which one?

I have written that while I don't find it funny I am not offended by it. Negative? The negativity is not in my sentences but it's in your head which is telling you a sincere light opinion which offers refreshing insight to the comic and the people who laugh at it is negative when it's wasn't intended to be negative.

But the reaction I'm getting is indeed negative and rude such as from laurence. I don't think you understood what I wrote at all just like laurence did not and still not I think. Read them again.

I'm an extremist? If I were an extremist more than half the world population would be religious terrorist.

Read these again, without the negativity in your mind,

The author of the comic depiction of Christian character is misleading. That is not a true Christian. But to be fair the author's depiction of the Christian in his/her comic could in all possibility contains or posseses some truth in it no matter how small. That some professed Christians are actually doing good and praying for all the wrong reasons.

However the depiction of the atheists from the author's comic is really interesting. The Atheists in the comic are viewed by God in the comic(and by the people who laugh at the comic) to be the better person. In that their mind set is actually better than some professed Christians that the author depicted in his comic.

This shows that the author and the people who laughed at the comic and who found the comic to be funny acknowlege that the atheists mind set in the comic are better and thus agree they are more favored by God than the Christian depicted in the comic. By knowing this the author and the people who laugh at the comic strip prove that they have an ideal Christian mindset. They know what pleases the Lord. And what doesn't. That is the sign of a true Christian.

So the author himself or herself and the people who laugh at the paradox of the comic could and would make a good Christians. In that they know what pleases the Lord and what doesn't.

In a negative way of speaking the comic is flawed that it depicts God to be the judge of human conduct. If the intention was to shun religious people the comic instead makes an effective tool to judge the human capacity to know what God actually wants or what is good. Being a Christian means knowing what pleases God and what doesn't.

By agreeing that the atheists in the comic stip to be the better person than the Christians depicted in the comic, the people who found it funny whether they are Christians or not or even atheist prove that they have the capacity to know what actually pleases the Lord and what doesn't. That's the trait of a true Christian, a person who has the knowledge of God.

And we are in the end judged by what we know. So the man who knows his master but decided to ignore him will be punished more severly than a man who doesn't know his master at all and did what was forbidden by his master.

skythewood SG

My strong reaction? which one?

But the reaction I'm getting is indeed negative and rude such as from laurence. I don't think you understood what I wrote at all just like laurence did not and still not I think. Read them again.

I'm an extremist? If I were an extremist more than half the world population would be religious terrorist.

Read these again, without the negativity in your mind,

So the author himself or herself and the people who laugh at the paradox of the comic could and would make a good Christians. In that they know what pleases the Lord and what doesn't.

the mindset is better?

atheist mindset is that they don't rely on God. what other conclusion can you draw from atheist mindset protrayed by the author?

Miracles&Prophecies SG

the mindset is better?

atheist mindset is that they don't rely on God. what other conclusion can you draw from atheist mindset protrayed by the author?

Do you want to debate what word I chose or the substance? The phrase is superficial as the sentences would make that word or phrase clear. Perhaps you would like to suggest another word for mindset? A better one? a more suitable one? Be my guess.

english is not my 1st language obviously but I believe I expressed my opinion clear enough.

Comicsans SG

Not going very much into the discussion but just a few points.

The comic focus a lot on negative views of Christians even though despite there obviously being Christians around who are not like those depicted in the comic.

Another thing is that God loves all people, believers and non-believers. He loves us all, a non-believer going to hell is not because God doesn't love them or hates them.

I suggest not going too much into this comic even if it is wrong and insensitive because there's no point.

Smarty Boy SG

Another thing is that God loves all people, believers and non-believers. He loves us all, a non-believer going to hell is not because God doesn't love them or hates them.

It does not make sense if non-believer goes to hell just because he is a non-believer. God love everybody as you said and He wants to save everybody including non-believer. Read Last Judgement Mt25:31-46. Not all believers goes to heaven too.....Read Mt7:21-27 n Lk13:25-28. Let God judge and decide who goes where.....as He is the only one who is qualified for that job.

Anyway, why would atheists think God prefers them when they don't believe God exist in the first place?

Miracles&Prophecies SG

Let God judge and decide who goes where.....as He is the only one who is qualified for that job.

Well said.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

I suggest not going too much into this comic even if it is wrong and insensitive because there's no point.

A comic is just a comic. not a subject for thesis paper. Agree.

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