The Fate of the Five

last SG · 2007-12-30T12:20:43+00:00

Don't they still exist within the Cath Church and EO? EO's Patriach of Antioch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_Orthodox_Patriarchs_of_Antioch h...

SingaporeMacross SG

No, no Eastern Catholic parish here. But the community of Greek-Catholics is growing.

vadermanu89 SG

Then how do they attend Masses? They would have no choice but to attend the Pauline Masses. This seems like a latinization of our Eastern brethen Twisted Evil

Incidentally, since the Eastern Church do not accept purgatory, is the doctrine an infallible dogma? Or are the concepts behind the doctrine infallible? A dogma can only be infallible if it is accepted by the Universal Church.

Icemoon SG

I thought if Pope says so, it must be so? Twisted Evil

vadermanu89 SG

Only if he binds it to the Universal Church. Most Papal teachings/encyclicals are binding to the Roman Church only.

Icemoon SG

which means Protestant churches can ignore also. Laughing

vadermanu89 SG

LOL But Prot Church ain't part of the Universal Church!

Icemoon SG

is this how Augustine define it? Rolling Eyes

vadermanu89 SG

Universal Church = Catholic Church Twisted Evil

i) An infallible dogma must be held by the Universal Church (not just one rite)
ii) Clerical Celibacy is only held by the Roman Church and not ECC
iii) Hence clerical celibacy is not infallible dogma

similiarly,

i) An infallible dogma must be held by the Universal Church (not just one rite)
ii) Some Eastern Rites reject the Latin doctrine of purgatory both in name and intepretation though they accept the concepts behind it.
iii) Since it is not held by the Universal Church, purgatory is not infallible dogma

Am I right?

Icemoon SG

If you ask me, only the creeds are universal dogma. Because they are composed before the Great Schism. Even Protestants agree to the creeds.

vadermanu89 SG

If you are talking about universal christian dogma, then this would include all versions of christianity. Unitarians will consider the first 4 Ecumenical Councils as heretical etc. There is no true universal dogma in Christianity except that Christ had a virgin birth and was crucified on the Cross.

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