New creation church New bldg~~~

last SG · 2007-09-16T23:23:41+00:00

fellow believers…why do u even bother to argue wif such ppl…wasting ur time…u r made for greater tings in life…

TheGoodEarth SG

hmmm ...... I thought they passed the bags round or they have some people or kids carrrying a fishing net to go around?

TheGoodEarth SG

Of course you cannot see something that is very subtle!
On the surface, it looks very noble. But look deeper!
Religion and God have been used by all cloaks of people to serve their own ends. It is no different whether they wear ordinary clothe or religious gown! Heard of this story - the wolf in sheep's clothing?
I say: you are very naive and most of your postings show that!

^tamago^ SG

No, as I said, no church would do that, neither would other religions do so.

^tamago^ SG

So, how do you expect churches to expand without a deserving place to accomodate all of them?

So, if this is grace given to you by God, do you turn away from him in abnegation just so that you can maintain your own self-righteous sense of abstinence, chastness and virtue?

davidche SG

Lets say this pastor, all he does are things that glorify God. Does his intentions matter? Even if the intentions were bad(which is most probly not) while his actions are good, these actions would only manifest a good effect.

So does intentions(your wolf thing) matter if his ALL actions show a sheep?

In other words, so what if his intentions are anti-christ natured while ALL that he does is for christ.

Therefore, it is either you mistaken the actions or you mistaken your so-thought motive and this is my stand.

(This is my first time using the word 'manifest' so, you get what i mean...may be used wrongly...)

laurence82 SG

siao

only a superficial person would say such things

davidche SG

I am saying that you cant say a person is anti christ by looking at his intentions while what he does is opposite of that.

Therefore, it is either you mistaken the actions or you mistaken your so-thought motive and this is my stand.

(must add this on top.)

laurence82 SG

of course u can

only superficial people look at things on the surface

Rolling Eyes

davidche SG

Its not looking things on the surface. It is looking at what he does and just simply that.

I can say that people who look on the inside, in this case it would be the intentions, they can never have an accurate view.

Last time you even argued with Sum that he duduced your intentions.

There is no way you can see a person's intentions. You can easily mistaken yourself and leave yourself with a permanant wrong perspective of a person just because you made this judgement by deducing his intentions.

Somehow it always links to you and me. Laughing

laurence82 SG

see, i am not wrong when i said somebody is cunning enough to use irrelevant points for flaming

and i still wonder at people who think this kid is innocent

Rolling Eyes

who is talking about questioning his intention?

what u propose is that Christians can worship Christ in a superficial way or to portray the image of a faithful worshipper

that is so uncalled for from a Christian

davidche SG

Take note, i said ALL his actions. This would mean that it is nothing about portraying an image or a put-up show. Dont put words into my mouth.

And i dont care about your judgement at all. It even works in religion. Once a person already decides his stand, anything he sees would only be a supporting pillar for his own view.

laurence82 SG

dont put words into my mouth either

why u only concentrate on 'the ALL the actions'? i dont noe how the whole discussion can be centred on this part alone

twisting the discussion arent you?

what i want to know is, how can you, as a Christian, be supportive of such superficialities?

even as a non Christian, i am quite disgusted and disturbed with such thinking, and supposedly other Christians should feel the same too, if they do push aside personal ego and look at the thing objectively

Rolling Eyes

laurence82 SG

who is judging u?

u are what u are, i dont even have to say

Laughing

davidche SG

hmm lets see, perhaps we need a magnifying glass. Laughing

Ok you said that i was cunning,
And that i was using irrelevant posts for flaming
And that i am a superficial person.

and the last one, that is really judging. You cross the line of judging intentions to judging a person in itself of who he is

gasband SG

WooHoo~~~~

I am here!

laurence82 SG

yes its logical

u use a irrelevant issue from past arguments to use as a point against my points, instead of arguing directly against my points

therefore, in conclusion, you are cunning

you are superficial because you think its right people can worship Christ superficially

and up to now, you have not still argued against my poinst

why are you proposing people can worship Christ in a superficial manner?

laurence82 SG

go away lar

i am still holding the reign of the most handsomus award

davidche SG

Ok i will answer your qn. I dont support superficialities(hmm i support it?)

But i do take a stand that we shouldnt judge a pastor as anti-chirst just by looking at part of his actions.

A father rides on a horse while his son walks on the road in a journey towards Arabia. People say his father doesnt love his child
The Son rides on the horse and the father does the walking, people say the son is not obedient and doesnt honour his father.
Both people ride on the horse, people say they are so cruel to the horse.

gasband SG

hey that is like so yesterday.

Everyone's going after the Most Charmingly Award and I just retain that title for the next 10 yearss

laurence82 SG

poor use of analogies

your analogy deal with different perspective of the matter

in your original post, you were already say this

u already stated he is anti christ, you already stated his intention is bad

you do support bad intentions 'good' actions

the worse thing is, in the last line, you twisted to say its about perspective

and now you are using the analogies relating to perspectives

so i am right, you are twisting the discussions

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