speaking in tongues

last SG · 2006-12-26T14:16:47+00:00

Are you taking the easy way out? Earlier you said: Why make things complicated? If my sin is against a person, only that person can forgive. If my sin is a...

Icemoon SG

Tongues won't cease lah.

These words can be found in your bible (in red somemore):

Mark 16:17 - And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

vince69 SG

Friend,

let me attempt to answer your question to the best of my experience.

On large scale congregationalist tongue speaking
There are 2 very obvious character to watch out for
1) Orderly - is there order or is it just plain chaos
2) Control - is there self control practiced or is everything and everyone out of control
The excerise of the gifts of the Holy Spirit must always display the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

On a small grp of people who are truly gifted?
actually the gift is for all, the real question is on the small grp of people who choose to use these gifts? (Note: different people may choose to use different gift when in different situation).

cheers

Pope Nicholas SG

If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.1 Cor. 13:8

Paul says as for tongues, they will cease (1 Cor. 13: Cool . The Greek word for cease (pauomai) means that the gift of tongues will end abruptly, on its own, and will not be replaced by another gift. The gift of tongues is the only gift of the Holy Spirit that is said to cease in this way. When Paul says that prophecies and knowledge will pass away (1 Cor. 13: Cool , the phrase pass away (in Greek, katargeo) indicates that these gifts will be replaced by a superior power. This appears to take place when we begin our life in eternity (1 Cor. 13:10-12). Not so with tongues

But out of curiosity, whats the use of speaking in tongues if u are not evagelising anyone?

Icemoon SG

Mr Pope.

Now it is Jesus' words against Paul's words.

Take your pick.

Pope Nicholas SG

Or u can choose to follow Augustine and Aquinas intepretation that Jesus created the gift on tongues but was only temporarily. Mind u there is no other mention of tongues in the other NT books or Paul letters and even in the Church fathers documents for the first century.

vince69 SG

your use of this verse
If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.1 Cor. 13:8

To show that tongue will cease, also means prophecy will be brought to nothing, and so will knowledge ... does this means we no longer need knowledge also, since it will be brought to nothing?

see, you can't just pick a part of a verse and ignore the rest.

speaking in tongue can also be use for edification of the body, just like the gifts are given for the edification of the body and for building it up for righteousness.

MS SG

But tongues are abused badly with warped theories of it being used today.

vince69 SG

abused? yes, of course there are serveral cases of abuse of this gift.
(I almost want to say its widely abused)
But then can we say, because its was abused, it should cease?

To be honest, there are really many things that are abused, personally, after being through many churches across denominations, both locally and abroad, I had seen abuses in almost every aspect of church life, from prayers to worship, and even from the pulpit.
Sad

these should not prevent us from going to church and minister to others. Smile
just like even though there are cases of abuse of this gift, should not stop us from using it wisely and properly.

MS SG

Precisely. Cease or not cease about tongues is not what we can say. Because there're too many disputing points.

The abuse of tongues, offerings widely thought by many in Singapore as main stream 'correct' Christian pattern should be the real one that should cease.

Come fellow believers of Jesus, let's put an end to this argument. From what you all posted look like believers of Jesus going after each others throat eager to put the other down.

Why not leave this to God to decide. There will be endless arguments which I find worthless to building your relationship with God. It's more like the Pharisees arguing over theoretical facts while you all neglect the core of all follower of Jesus and that's Love for one another? Even non christians?

soulwinner SG

To be simple tongues is just a God given spiritual gifting… There is however no need to debate about since there is doubt.. I do can to a point that there might be christians who don’t believe in it.. but whatever it is , just know that Jesus will judge during the judgment day.. All we need to do it to fulfill the Great commission in Matthew 28:19. I do believe some Christian are given some sort of spiritual to assist in the fulfill of the commission.. Example Rev Benny Hinn in US is gifted in healing and each time his conduct a healing service, the Holy Spirit manifest and heal that who put there entire faith on Jesus

Icemoon SG

Benny Hinn is dubious. I wouldn't dare to say he is 'gifted'.

There are videos exposing his acts.

M©+square SG

A better study on 'spiritual gifts' are Smith Wigglesworth and Kathryn Kuhlman.

Smith Wigglesworth and many classical protestant writers only mentioned
'Spiritual Utterances'. Are they tongues? I don't know, maybe? Maybe not.

And on tongues in 1900s is Azusa Street Revival - William J Seymour
'Seymour preached that speaking in tongues was evidence of Holy Spirit baptism' - extract from wiki.

Leave Hinn aside. It's hopeless to discuss that.

breytonhartge SG

for self edification, when you are praying alone... 1 Cor 14:4

to build up our faith Jude 1:20

as a sign to unbelievers... 1 Cor 14:22

Shaul also says in 1 Cor 14:39 not to forbid speaking in tongues...

1 Corinthians 12:28
And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.

1 Corinthians 12:29-31 (New King James Version)
29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.

Please also note Acts 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

we speak in tongues as the Rauch Hakkodesh gives us utterance...

SumOne SG

i notice the threadstarter has dissappeared. I doubt he is even following the discussion in the first place. Still, nice to see a good discussion carrying on.

Don't mind me, carry on. Having fun reading what's been posted.

vince69 SG

don't just read for fun, post some contribution as well....

yes, its fun to have nice & peaceful discussion once in a while Smile

SumOne SG

Contribute also mush be worthwhile contribution. Also, sometimes there's no need to raise the same point that's already said (unless to emphasize and remind). At this point of time, I see nothing I can or need to bring to the discussion. It's going very nicely without me having to interfere in it. Wink

vince69 SG

cause want to hear you view mah...

SumOne SG

My view? Quite simple, personally I don't practice speaking in tongues. Neither am I against it. And I feel people can be saved without having to speak in tongues. To me, it's a different form of worship.

Not going into much more than that. Wink

vince69 SG

and I agree with you, its just a gift to edification purposes, use or don't use will not affect a person's salvation... Smile

klydeer SG

Dear Nicholas, it good to hear your views. Actually i do not have a preference towards more modern time commentaries. I agree with a view that i have experienced and understood in my walk with the Lord.

Perhaps it is the same with you. Ultimately, relationship with our Lord is of utmost importance. I agree here to disagree with you on this issue until perhaps there comes a time, when the Lord will either convict me or you of His Truth in His own way.

God bless.

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