Omnipotent?

last SG · 2006-08-18T10:26:16+00:00

i'll be patient with a secondary school kid who just insulted me. the question is actually asking if the creator can create something that can outdo him. al...

popmynutsy SG

i read bout this in xiaxue blog.
its about god being omnipotent and i find it a very good question.

Can God create a rock so huge that he cant even be able to lift it himself?
If God can create the rock and he cant lift it, he isnt really that omnipotent is he? And if God cant create the rock, he isnt really that omnopotent is he?

wad say you? Laughing

killstyle SG

why bother about whjat a dumb beach says. and a farking SPG too.

davidche SG

1) theres no rock that he cant lift..
2)refer to answer for 1st question.

babyys SG

Ask yourself back this question.

"God you are the creator right, then i am sure creation cannot outdo creator right?"

Does that answer your question?

Omnipotent = All Powerful
Omnipresense = All Present
Omniscience = All Knowing

So nothing can be greater than God right?

JerzZzzZ SG

if 'creation cannot outdo creator', then god can't create something that can outdo him, and that means he's not all powerful. and if it can outdo him, he's not all the powerful either.

this paradox has actually been in discussion for ages, not sure if anyone reached a logical and satisfying conclusion yet (if that's possible), but hey, that's the fun in paradoxes.

laurence82 SG

I like paradoxes

Like for example, the time machine thingie where you shoot your own grandpa

Mr. Green

Btw, i like your reply to this topic issue

Its a more level headed approach

JerzZzzZ SG

yup, they're fun. the omnipotent paradox is actually one of my fave. Wink wikipedia has a long list of paradoxes too, worth a read! interesting stuff~

babyys SG

I too respect this kinda queries cause at least its constructive & not personal! Mr. Green

babyys SG

Wait let me go do some homework 1st then i reply u hahahah..... Mr. Green

The Elder SG

God is all wise. He wont create a rock that he cant lift Himself bcos He can lift all rocks no matter the size. He wont contradict Himself bcos He isnt stupid. He is all knowing or omniscient.

The Elder SG

Why must God create something to outdo Himself? I dont see the point. Would u as God create something to outdo yourself? Stupid isnt it? But God is wise & all knowing.

JerzZzzZ SG

The question isn't whether he will or not, but rather, whether he can or not. And, this omnipotent paradox may actually apply to any fictional omnipotent figure, who isn't omniscient. Then again, that will make this the wrong forum to post in, so... -shrugs-

Paradox remains. Smile

But to respect your religion, yea, I doubt God will create something that surpasses Him.

JerzZzzZ SG

Twisted Evil

ben1xy SG

it's not that .. it's the Caveat. the question is whether he can create something more powerful than God.

in the event that God did, it means that now the rock would be more powerful
in the event that he didn't, it means that his powers are imited

it's like choosing the devil or the deep blue sea Neutral

Paradox ..... haizz

stupidissmart SG

The question is meaningful in the sense tat it question whether is there anything such as true omnipotency. From the example of the rock, it seems tat true omnipotency may be logically flawed and impossible.

davidche SG

Originally posted by JerzZzzZ:
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if 'creation cannot outdo creator', then god can't create something that can outdo him,
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wad a dumb.........read the quote again. you r answering the question your self!!!

creation cant outdo the creator.

theres nothing that can outdo him. so theres nothing to create to outdo him.

theres nothing to be created to outdo him.

wa lau. such a dumb question, discussed for ages has actually been solved by a sec student....what a joke.

stupidissmart SG

creation cant outdo the creator

I think tat is a pretty bad assumption. Men create robots tat outdo men in terms of strength, speed and accuracy etc. We do create things tat become better than the creator (us)

davidche SG

i thought of that b4.

God to man is diff from man to created.

Anyway, to reply you, God is the highest, so theres definitely nothing which can outdo him.

[email protected] SG

I view Man himself as the highest being, surpassed any other beings up there. Only Man can reach the same kind of enlightenment as the Buddha.

Pathetic ones can join Davidche.

davidche SG

hehe, suddenly off topic…....attention seeker. I dont really care wad you believe in. but like you always say, you can say wadever you like…......