creationism is the truth

davidche SG

Its a QnA book loh, meant for christians.

I read it and found that it compromises alot of bible facts to suit science.

Thus i burnt it instead

ben1xy SG

Neutral nice to know that i have a brain that cannot think Sad

Icemoon SG

I said "Christians" .. so you are not alone. Mr. Green

Anyway, I won't just criticize and leave it at that. My criticism towards you might be harsh, but I try to make sure it is constructive.

I have something to share with you:

http://www.pbs.org/empires/thegreeks/characters/socrates_p4.html

After his service in the war, Socrates devoted himself to his favorite pastime: the pursuit of truth.

His reputation as a philosopher, literally meaning 'a lover of wisdom', soon spread all over Athens and beyond. When told that the Oracle of Delphi had revealed to one of his friends that Socrates was the wisest man in Athens, he responded not by boasting or celebrating, but by trying to prove the Oracle wrong.

So Socrates decided he would try and find out if anyone knew what was truly worthwhile in life, because anyone who knew that would surely be wiser than him. He set about questioning everyone he could find, but no one could give him a satisfactory answer. Instead they all pretended to know something they clearly did not.

Finally he realized the Oracle might be right after all. He was the wisest man in Athens because he alone was prepared to admit his own ignorance rather than pretend to know something he did not.

Wink

PS: PBS is a good website with tons of educational materials. For example, "Religion: Three Religions, One God

kaister SG

No worries, we're all here to learn right?

Just because a book was there for a very long time and it was written by well-respected people doesn't mean it stands for the truth... *Wink wink

You've got to think for yourself instead of letting a book guide all your actions.

(If that wasn't obvious enough, you probably need to think harder) Twisted Evil

Fatum SG

I was ambushed by some jehovah witnesses the other day (not in Singapore, where they are banned) ...

and I got a few pamphlets from them to read ....

one of them was on creationism vs evolution, it's interesting though, that the emphasis was on whether life arose independently or was created by some higher sentinent ... it also touched on whether it's a case of this higher sentinent kick starting the process and evolution as the catalyst to produce the diversity and feccundity that we see on earth today ...

I dunno what to make of it, it smacks vaguely of backpeddling to me ....

actually evolution the process, is something that has been scientifically proven before, starting from Darwin's pigeons, there were various experiments that have proved that evolution and divergence of life do take place, how else did we get assorted breeds of dogs or cats or fish then ? ... what about cross-breeding ? ... doesn't creationism implicitly denys the possibility of species cross-breeding, since every single one was created by some higher sentinent ? ...

what is in dispute, is the mechanism which directs this process, and perhaps religion could have done better by focusing on the wonder of this mechanism instead of denying that the process ever took place ...

it's interesting to note that Darwin remained a life long agnostic, but was never an atheist ... perhaps he was just sickened of the organized religions of his day ...

kaister SG

I didn't know Jehovah witnesses were banned in Singapore. There're plenty serving their NS in the DB...

Fatum SG

they aren't ? ... hmmmm ...

I've not seen one or been accosted by one before, but you can always tell a jehovah witness around on the campus, they are the chaps dressed in somber business suits, and they are not business faculty students because they don't have dyed hair ... and they'll ambush the international students and ply them with preaching material ... and are so damm nice and persistent you want to punch them in the face just to see them angry sometimes ... Laughing

vince69 SG

sounds more like the Mormons leh, so far the Mormons I encountered all wear business suits ones, those JWs that I met wear very casual and almost always are going around knocking on doors to try to do BS with you type.

still remember that poor JW guy who visited my flat when I was still studying in Sydney, really kenna from us. Wink

Fatum SG

nope, JW alright, mormon evangelists are also neatly dressed, but they'll go around in their trademark white short sleeved shirt, black pants, and tie and they won't vary ...

Laughing

davidche SG

i understand *wink wink

kaister SG

This is getting off-topic... now back on track...

I think the reason evolution is so detested by christians because it implies that there God is less than perfect for designing an imperfect system that needs to correct itself over time.

Take for example, a human female. Like all humans, she's built to walk on her two legs, which means that she has to have a narrow pelvis to walk efficiently with.

However, that would mean compromising the width of babies she's able to give birth, given her restricted birth canel. That's why human babies are all born "immature" compared to the rest of the animal kingdom.

If creationism is the truth, why would such an imperfect system that requires compromises be created by a perfect God? Rolling Eyes

ben1xy SG

same thing happened at my place. they invited me to go for their talk at Centiniel Park (still remember this place?)

davidche SG

What do you imply in your post
Pls answer,

kaister SG

Originally posted by davidche:

What do you [b]imply in your post
Pls answer,[/b]

I don't see anything wrong leh... historical and factual recount of the 3 main religions of the world

davidche SG

i agree with wad icemoon said. Gt alot of storys like tat nowadays leh.

Very Interesting

Icemoon SG

Originally posted by davidche:

What do you [b]imply in your post
Pls answer,[/b]

Huh .. how come you asking such a strange question?

Icemoon SG

*scratch head* .. is he asking about the Socrates one or the 3 main religions one?

kaister SG

Don't ask me... I'm confused too... Laughing

Icemoon SG

Huh ..what did I say?

What stories??

Icemoon SG

but you replied like you understood his intentions ..

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