creationism is the truth

last SG · 2006-09-25T20:40:30+00:00

I didn't know Jehovah witnesses were banned in Singapore. There're plenty serving their NS in the DB...

davidche SG

Laughing

i killed me!!

socrates SG

i am thinking here, does "faster" necessary means the best that a Creator can or should offer ? If a bird flies like an F-16, personally to me, my sight should also be created to match up with that speed to enjoy seeing, the flight of birds.

Well, to me the most basic reason why faster birds are better is simply because faster means the birds have an easier time to catch their food or escape their foes. If you believe in creationism, and god create animals for men to appreciate, then why do god create deep sea creatures or tunneling animals when most men can only see them in action from video.

Is there a possibility for God to "create adaptations" ?

Persomally, adaptation speaks out more for evolution than for creationism. Creationism do not have to rely on past or other models to come out with different creatures. Strangely all creatures are seen to be adapted from some other species before. If you can come out with a creature that show no signs of adaptation, voila you have proven evolution to be wrong. However that never happened.

davidche SG

lol, i hv argued regarding this matter with other ppl liao. He ended up with no clever answer.

You see, ppl nowadays like to think for God.
If there is a God why didnt he build it this way...etc Confused
But they all fail to see that our limited minds is not capable of know everything.
And rebuted them based on their examples, in your case, its the bird
I said maybe if birds fly fast, their eyeballs may pop out due to the high speed.
So for that to be flawless, birds will need to have transparent casing outside their eyes....
And they end up saying: arent you thinking for God too?

So my point is. whats rubbish is rubbish. Whether its about God or not.
(hmmm..i sound like cs.lewis Very Happy )

davidche SG

Can you sum up your ideas?

So God is perfect and he creates inperfect things
walking on two feet causes labour pain is an example of imperfectness.
And there are many other examples to support how the world is built inperfect.
"An engineer wont build a faulty system unless he is an idiot." i lv this sentance Very Happy

Now i shall begin.
My main point is that what seems to our human eyes inperfect may NOT be inperfect as you think.
My idea cannot be explained, however, it has to be guilded b4 one can understand.

Is labour pain bad and a sign of inperfectness?

(this is my question for you now)

kaister SG

It might be true that my limited mind cannot understand God's true intentions. But what I do know is if I keep spraining my legs, God must be at risk of spraining his legs too cos' I was built in his image. Laughing Take note this is in relation to the physical defect inbuilt in everyone of us, courtesy of your almighty creator.

I also know he's in danger of appendicitis... Twisted Evil Although his invulnerability might probably help him. Confused

Ever wondered why your mother had to bear with the child labour when she gave birth to you? Ever wondered why so babies died even though they were born on "full-term" (we humans have a much higher infant mortality rate than other primates)?

Going by your creationism, it's all a crude joke from the big guy up there.

As for your arguement on birds, yes, I will design birds to have protection over their eyes if they can fly that fast. Unfortunately, the creator somehow oversaw that. Rolling Eyes

There's nothing wrong with your arguements, it's just that it's too submissive to my liking. Even if there is a creator, I wouldn't want to be trapped in his "fish tank", be happy that I'm under his care and eventually die not knowing what lies outside this "fish tank".

kaister SG

Btw davidche, where’s your nobel prize winning theory? Still waiting leh…

davidche SG

You might as well say that ppl with birth defects are not perfect and thus they reflect God's imperfectness?

kaister SG

In short, yes. Rolling Eyes

In long sentences, of course labour pain is bad and a sign of imperfection! I mean what the hell? Why would you want to design a system where nothing works well? You can't walk well using your 2 legs cos' they are imperfect and babies are always at risk of dying because they are always born immature (in order to squeeze thru the narrow pelvis).

If I am to grade the creator's works, I would fail him/her. One thousand and one ways to approach the problem and this is how the creator submitted his work? Frankly, I'm very disappointed.

And ya, try asking if labour pain is an imperfection to a mother. See how they will answer you. Laughing

Edit: spelling error

kaister SG

People with birth defects are born that way because of mutations and genetic errors. Nothing to do with God. He's innocent in that. Laughing

What I'm saying is the defects that's in EVERYONE of us. Man, woman, child, everyone! And yes, they reflect that the creator is imperfect.

davidche SG

So ask you a very critical question. How do you know what are imperfect.

Is sth imperfect because YOU think it is imperfect?

kaister SG

Wah, quite hard to argue on your level leh... answer your questions liao then ask somemore...

I know what is imperfect because I know perfection when I see one. But seriously, what kind of question is that? You watch Singapore Idols right? You'll know if a person is singing terribly even if you don't know how to sing yourself.

As for your 2nd question, I think that something is imperfect because it is imperfect to start with. Not because I think it's imperfect therefore it's imperfect.

All I know is that things could've been better. Much better. Can understand so far right?

Okie, everytime also you ask me. Now my turn, answer these:

1. Is god/creator perfect?

2. Are we created in his image?

3. Then why do we have imperfect (maybe in your terms, could've -been-better) features - eg, coccyx, appendix, weak lower limbs, prematurely-born babies from narrowed pelvis?

4. Where is your nobel prize winning theory? Twisted Evil

nomood SG

davidche, like vince69, is just stringing you along, questions after questions with no viable admission of what he thinks.

anyway, child labour was supposed to be some form of punishment and not a flaw; it thus serves as a bad example if we are to include divine intervention in intelligent design.

there's no point arguing with him because everything, to him boils down to our puny minds. oh and i quote,

"But they all fail to see that our limited minds is not capable of know everything. "

Ultimate defence for a christian. All divinity and no logic. Exact same sort of people who insist that the earth is flat.

davidche SG

Now heres the thing:

only a perfect person can judge whether a thing is perfect or not cos he knows better than you or me.

Do you think a person who cannot even be in the perfect status can judge what is perfect?

You used Singapore Idol as an example which i think is very good.
You find that the judges are experts in music and not just any person.
Thats because they know what is good singing and bad singing and they know the difference
We on the other hand, can give comments and stuffs but we sometimes happen to have the wrong judgement.

kaister SG

Originally posted by nomood:

davidche, like vince69, is just stringing you along, questions after questions with no viable admission of what he thinks.

anyway, child labour was supposed to be some form of punishment and not a flaw; it thus serves as a bad example if we are to include divine intervention in intelligent design.

there's no point arguing with him because everything, to him boils down to our puny minds. oh and i quote,

[b]"But they all fail to see that our limited minds is not capable of know everything. "

Ultimate defence for a christian. All divinity and no logic. Exact same sort of people who insist that the earth is flat.[/b]

I admit child labour was a BAD BAD example. The main point is the immature babies that keeps dying because of the compromise in pelvic width.

Sometimes I feel unjust for scientists who worked hard in their fields, only to be condemned on the basis of faith/religion. Darwin wanted to reject his own theory at his deathbed to get the church's acceptance. Galileo, who suggested that the earth was not the center of universe in 1600s, got only a public apology from Pope John Paul II in 1992, for condeming him.

If we had choose to see with our own eyes, you will find that we might live in a better society, rather than one filled with hatred and religious conflicts.

kaister SG

Come on davidche. Answer my questions. I won't continue the discussion if you don't answer my 4 SIMPLE questions.

I apologise for not being able to make the questions sound even simpler than they already are.

davidche SG

ok tats all for the discussion.

Questions are meant for one to reflect oneself.
Questions are used to guide a person's thinking process.

Case closed

nomood SG

Dare I say, told you??

Mr. Green

kaister SG

What the hell...

Run away with your tailbone between your legs... Laughing

kaister SG

You were right all along.

This reminds me of a qoute:
Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you to his level and then beat you with experience.

davidche SG

i like to use questions to guide a person's mind.

After one question has been idendified and answered, the person is readily capable of going for the next step or question. After these, the person shld be able to understand.

Tell the end, after all the stair steps, comes the destination.
One isnt able to jump straight to the top of the ladder without climbing up.
Same thing, the person will not understand the point unless he goes step by step.

Of course, if a person puts a cactus on one of the ladder steps, the whole process will be disrupted.

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