american bishop believes homosexuality is not a sin

Icemoon SG

Matthew 7 WEB
1 "Don't judge, so that you won't be judged.

2 For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you.

3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye?

But the verses do not imply other sins. It is quite clear they are talking about the same sin, especially 2.

casino_king SG

Not for you to judge. For all have sinned... in that way, you simply do not look at people's sin anymore. It is a given. What is required is acceptance, not condemnation. Sin has consequences, the wages of sin is death. The solution is not to become sinless, that is impossible. The solution is the transformation from "bad" to "good" and only God can do that. Nothing you can do and nothing for you to judge.

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life ...

casino_king SG

You see verse 3? "Speck" and "log?" Clearly not the same. In fact, having a spirit of condemnation is the "log" and other's "sins" are simply "specks."

Icemoon SG

There are many reasons to make you feel uncomfortable. For example,

Like zha bor may feel uncomfortable with her guy friend in a room (gu nan gua nu gong chu yi shi), I may also feel uncomfortable with a gay inside a room.

Icemoon SG

You are making no sense. If your reasoning is correct, how come the Apostle Paul seem to damn everyone? Laughing

casino_king SG

I did clarify that you might not want to be their friends if they are not your type and if you are not free to have anymore friends... and only if you free uncomfortable with gays and pros because you think that they are sinners, then there is a seed of condemnation in your heart. That seed is what is stopping you from becoming born again. You condemn others, the condemnation falls right back on you.

casino_king SG

Please be specific and we shall look at it.

Icemoon SG

1Cor 6:

Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, 10thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbersnone of these will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Na bei .. in just one sentence .. he dunno condemned how many pple liao.

Icemoon SG

Your reply is totally off tangent.

what friend or no friend? It is a simple scenario - as a girl you feel uncomfortable with a male friend inside a room, like sharing the hotel room with your colleague.

What's so difficult to understand?

casino_king SG

How can Paul be condenming them when:

And this is what some of you used to be.

casino_king SG

I said that if that is the case, then there is no problem. Why is that so difficult to understand?

If you are uncomfortable because you view them as sinners (you know the kind of look some people give to prostitutes?) then you have a seed of condemnation in your heart.

Icemoon SG

Originally posted by casino_king:

How can Paul be condenming them when:

[b]And this is what some of you used to be. [/b]

don't throw the red herring. you where got say "used to be"?

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Originally posted by casino_king:
10 Jesus, standing up, saw her and said, "Woman, where are your accusers? Did no one condemn you?"

11 She said, "No one, Lord." Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you. Go your way. From now on, sin no more."

Do you think that if she continues to sin Jesus will turn around and say: "I told you to go and sin no more, why did you not obey me? Now I have no choice but to stone you?"

Or will Jesus say again and again, "Neither do I condemn you. Go your way. From now on, sin no more?"
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Icemoon SG

siao .. you are the one who cannot understand, not me.

Told you liao .. look at prostitute your mind will be thinking of other things, in other words you'll be preoccupied. Laughing

casino_king SG

I took if from the verses you inserted into your post! Rolling Eyes

10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor extortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God.

11 Such were some of you, but you were washed. But you were sanctified. But you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God.

Icemoon SG

Originally posted by casino_king:

I took if from the verses you inserted into your post!

10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor extortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God.

11 [b]Such were some of you, but you were washed. But you were sanctified. But you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God.[/b]

wait .. b4 i forget .. you haven't ans me how come Paul could condemn but we cannot?

casino_king SG

How can Paul be condenming them when Paul also said:

And this is what some of you used to be.

Icemoon SG

The red herring just got worse.

First of all Jesus did say "go and sin no more". The woman in question, I don't think she is a Christian, so the sanctified and justified argument doesn't apply to her.

That's why I said Jesus does not believe in physical punishment, He believes in heavenly judgement.

Icemoon SG

Originally posted by casino_king:

How can Paul be condenming them when Paul also said:

[b]And this is what some of you used to be.
[/b]

He is condemning the people who are not "used to be".

if you port it to today's context, he would be condemning your favourite prostitute example in geylang.

casino_king SG

You must never condemn those geylang pros because And this is what some of you used to be.

casino_king SG

and Jesus expects that she will never commit another sin again in her life? Or did Jesus not condemn her knowing full well that she will continue to sin?

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